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you doing? Do you have a tsunami that's going to hit at 2 o'clock? Why are you still at the
<br /> shop?" And I said, "Well, it's 2 o'clock." He's like, "Oh my god. Get out of there. Close the
<br /> shop, and get out of there."
<br /> And, this is what we live with, and there's nothing that's going to stop us from going from the
<br /> ocean because it's our sanity. That's where we just–wow, I, I can't even tell you what the
<br /> ocean does for us. I mean, it's just spiritual. And, you know, in the documents that Kahalu`u,
<br /> the historical documents of the Federal and the State, says it's supernatural powers, and there's
<br /> lots of mana. There is mana. You asked me on the last hearing where do I pray. Let me tell
<br /> you. I went up to Mauna Kea, and what? I didn't know. When I came home and saw the
<br /> picture, I went whoa. And, Uncle Junior, I put his picture there. Because all of a sudden, these
<br /> rocks and his corner of–you know, I went to so many meetings with Uncle Junior. He would
<br /> have fought. His `aumakua is the shark. As soon as I posted it on social media, the 15-foot
<br /> shark came in the area. I knew it was Uncle Junior. His, his body, everything is in this ocean.
<br /> And, let me tell you, I didn't, I didn't include Joy Mills. She's the one who saved the one–and I
<br /> helped her, I put West Hawaii Association in helping support her–but she saved the lot, the
<br /> Lyman's Condo, and I did not put her there. And, I had a conversation with my guest from the
<br /> mainland and my, my niece said, you know, there was a fellow, there's, her best friend had a
<br /> miniature–well, she's had cancer, and then she said that, "I'm going to do whatever I want."
<br /> And, then, I go –her name was Joy, so that was a hint, like,joy? Uh-huh. And then, so she was
<br /> bedridden, and she had her little miniature donkey, and she would take it in her car, but then she,
<br /> when she was bedridden, she had to have a caretaker. And, it was so weird because she said,
<br /> "Joy." And she goes yeah, and no one could put up with her because she had this miniature
<br /> donkey, and she says yeah, so the only caretaker that could put up with her was a Filipino. Joy
<br /> got murdered, and I thought, "oh my god." And then yesterday, or was it, I can't,the day before
<br /> yesterday, okay, the day before yesterday, my daughter and I, we were going to go to Kahalu`u
<br /> property, and then there's this big, from my house, it was like the contrail. The contrail, it's like,
<br /> and we thought, "What the heck is that?" And, then so we, we're trying to get a picture, but we
<br /> couldn't get the whole picture, but West Hawaii Today printed it today. And then, my friend
<br /> Mark Sales, he's a surfer. His picture is in there, and he took a picture of the con—it wasn't a
<br /> contrail; they called Pohakuloa, and they said there was no planes in that area that morning at
<br /> nine-ish. And, then where did Mark take the picture? Magic Sands. I go, "Bingo. Joy." Her
<br /> ashes all was put here in this area. So, I'm saying, you know, I totally believe in the mana. My
<br /> property at Kahalu`u has the largest archaeology site every found in the State of Hawaii. Right
<br /> next to me is seven acres of burials. And let me tell you, you do what's pono. And I prayed. I
<br /> went to the mauna to pray what am I going to do. And when this came up, I was like, wow, I
<br /> just got, I just got done with Banyans. Wow, how exhausting that is. So, I pray to the mana, I
<br /> pray to my ancestors what the heck am I going to do. Let me
<br /> UNGER: Thank you for
<br /> P. MCMICHAEL: Okay.
<br /> UNGER: —for clarifying that. Commissioner Vitousek, did you have any other questions?
<br /> VITOUSEK: No.
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