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RAFFIPIY: Okay, all right. Can you please raise your right hands? Do you swear or affirm to <br />tell the truth on this matter now before the Planning Commission? <br />TESTIFIERS: I do. <br />RAFFIPIY: All right, thank you. So, we'll start from you going back. <br />TAMASHIRO: Mahalo. <br />RAFFIPIY: Thank you. <br />TAMASHIRO: Okay, my name again is Gene Tamashiro. I'm a sovereign Hawaiian. I'm <br />lawful in my own country. Hawaiian Kingdom is in continuity, and we have forensic evidence <br />where nobody in the State or the County has ever brought forth any evidence to prove that our <br />claim that Kingdom is in continuity, and the law of this `aina is confirmed, nobody brought <br />forward any evidence that that's not true. Okay? So, as a maxim of law, if you don't rebut or <br />respond to a claim, then that initial claim is truth and law. So right now, I am addressing all of <br />you, but particularly because I have been told by the Mayor, by Corporate Counsel, by <br />prosecutor, you know, you guys gotta talk to our lawyers. And, so Malia is our lawyer here, <br />yeah, okay. So, I'm gonna actually, Roger, I would like you to film her please. Film her. Yeah. <br />Thank you, Malia. Yeah, smile. Okay. So, Malia, you are a US citizen, is that correct? You can <br />just nod if you can't speak, but I prefer you speak. <br />HALL: This is not a question or answer opportunity. <br />TAMASHIRO: Okay, so, just, just listen and we're— <br />HALL: Okay <br />TAMASHIRO: —gonna film you listening <br />HALL: Okay, sounds good— <br />TAMASHIRO: because it's very revealing <br />HALL: —This is public testimony and it's supposed to be on an actual agenda item <br />TAMASHIRO: Oh yeah, this <br />HALL: So, if you're not testifying to the actual agenda item <br />TAMASHIRO: I am absolutely. <br />HALL: Okay. Okay <br />TAMASHIRO: Absolutely <br />EXHIBIT C <br />5 <br />