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VITOUSEK: Is there any records of the agreements with Housing that we can look at?
<br /> KERN: I'll let Mr. Julkowski speak to that. I do know there's some ongoing investigations that
<br /> I don't really know much about, but, Mr. Julkowski?
<br /> D. JULKOWSKL Everybody who was working with that project with me is now gone, been
<br /> released from the County. The, I can't go deep whatever I talked with the FBI, I can't, it's being
<br /> worked on at Hawaiian Homes. And
<br /> J. JULKOWSKL We've talked to the FBI, and there's a[inaudible]we are still not allowed to
<br /> talk about everything that happened.
<br /> D. JULKOWSKL We can't name names
<br /> J. JULKOWSKL We can't- - - anything until after they finalize their investigation.
<br /> VITOUSEK: Fair enough, but I mean is there, is there anything in writing from these agencies?
<br /> I mean, you know, verbal agreements are one thing, but- - -
<br /> D.
<br /> - -D. JULKOWSKL - - - sat down and I have papers with a County employee's name on it and
<br /> stuff, who helped me do all the affordable housing papers, and the reason why I did what I did
<br /> so I have to explain why I've done. I wasn't asking for money for this project, and so I said I
<br /> needed to sell these lots off. And at that time I was talking to some people with medical from
<br /> Waimea to maybe put in a clinic in there because they didn't have in the area, and this would've
<br /> been a good area for a clinic, and so that's what we were planning to do with that whole group of
<br /> deals and with those five lots. I had to sell those for help to put in the infrastructure because
<br /> once I got my cost, it was tremendous, it was high. And so, I figured I'd sell these lots off to
<br /> help us with the cost of putting the infrastructure in, and making the affordable housing stay
<br /> affordable housing, instead of making it getting very expensive. So, the only thing I have is what
<br /> I worked with the County and stuff, and I have a lot of papers here. If I was there, I would show
<br /> you guys some of the stuff, but because we're not there, it's very difficult. But I worked with, in
<br /> many meetings, with different people with the County that we met and talked at the County
<br /> building, when they were in that older building next to the river there. We had many, many
<br /> meetings there. I would have to fly out two-day notice and fly out there and sit down and have
<br /> another meeting and stuff. And so I thought everything was good. They told me to finish up the
<br /> affordable housing, I saidI was supposed to meet with the individual, I flew out there and
<br /> nobody showed up, whatever, and then I called him, and he says, "I'm no longer with the
<br /> County." And I said, "What? You know you told me to fly out here," and he says, "things
<br /> happened." And from that point onI don't know what happened, I really don't know. We
<br /> haven't, we've done everything what we were asked to do, over and above what I wanted to do,
<br /> because I said, "Let's insure this thing before I start doing prints." And all this stuff is very, very
<br /> costly; if you've done any of this stuff, you understand what I'm talking about. And I was kept
<br /> telling do more, do more, do more. And I did it. And to then be put off to the side like I'd done
<br /> something wrongI'm hoping to get this taken care of because we have done nothing wrong.
<br /> CARR SMITH: Can you remind me for the record what your name is?
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