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Gerard De Lima will give us a field report and observations from the point <br />of view of a hunter and gatherer. <br /> <br />NP: You’re always been there for us, I appreciate it. OK, so, um, we have next <br />Gerard De Lima. He’s gonna give us sort of field report and observations from <br />the point of view of a hunter and gatherer and um, also Gerard has applied for <br />District 3 Commissioner and we’re hoping the best for him – that he might come <br />on board with us, um, so thank you so much for being here with us. <br /> <br />GD: You guys can hear me? Thank you guys for letting me come in tonight. So <br />\[unclear\] pandemic and a lot of the people are relying on the animals off the <br />mountain. What I’m seeing is the top no more animals, Hawaiian Homes is <br />eradicating and removing cattle, you guys fencing off, I mean, there’s a lot of <br />projects going on right now – move the animals off the Islands. The problem with <br />that – as one rancher – when the animals is go in they going start touching our <br />personal animals. It’s happening already. Parker Ranch going get hit hard. <br />Parker Ranch going get hit hard pretty soon – as soon as DLNR locked off Mana <br />Road and stuff but people’s ranches going get… <br /> <br />NP: You talking poaching… <br /> <br />GD: Oh, yeah, guarantee… These people got to feed their families by the state <br />removing the animals off the land you’re taking away food from the people – <br />taking away food from the people that is on state lands now you going make <br />those people that is relying on that food go after people like me and my pastures <br />and \[unclear\]. I haven’t hunt outside my pasture in years because I don’t want to <br />deal with anybody else. I try to stay on my own place and, I mean, when I go <br />cruise the mountain and I seen the top – no more sheep already, I mean, the <br />grass is tall above the fence – right below the fence is bollohead – the mamane <br />trees is dead, the koa trees is dead, actually, the koa trees is still being salvaged <br />by DLNR and still being sold out of Keanakolu forest, um, and elsewhere on that <br />mountain along with the plans with DHHL of doing the same thing, you know, we <br />all cried conservation – everybody cried conservation – but you cannot conserve <br />nothing if not going to have the people around, you know, everything is <br />conservation but yet you plan on cutting down the koa trees 100 years from now. <br />You know, we going kill all the animals, plant trees, but yet we going cut all those <br />trees down, right, we cannot be saying everything is in conservation for <br />reforestation if you still going keep cutting down the trees. Cannot kill all the <br />animals that saved that mountain. If it wasn’t for the sheep on that mountain – <br />the place burn down guarantee. The sheep is the only thing that’s eating the <br />gorse on Mana Road on Mauna Kea, you know, there’s the overhand and the <br />over reach of the state entities going cause one adverse reaction to the <br />mountain. The animals live in fear – one helicopter fly past they run, right? You <br />guys shoot ewes leave the babies behind to starve to death. The cattle that’s <br />being killed on Mauna Kea they’re being roped, chased, whatever – caught. And <br />the babies are left behind to die, you know, and this is – I had a conversation with <br />14 <br /> <br /> <br />