2018-11-13 Game Management Advisory Commission Minutes 2

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Hawaii Game Management Advisory Commission Meeting Minutes – October 24, 2016 you know, almost arbitrary – what time you’re gonna pick. Are you gonna be looking at impacts over the first few months or for a longer period of time and it could be that – because of the complex inter-actions of food chain organisms and, you know, like when you get rid of, I’ve, I’ve read that – when you get rid of rodents on some islands – there was a proliferation of ants because that’s what the rodents were eating – you wouldn’t necessarily see all these impacts – when you get rid of the mice and the rats proliferate – when you get rid of the rats and the mice proliferate – you have all sorts of dynamics when you get – cause you’re dealing with food chain organisms that have been in the environment for a very long time. So from the environment’s point of view – I know from your point of view they don’t belong there – but from the environment’s point of view they’re an integrated component of that environment, I mean, after they’ve been around for like 100 years in an environment – they’re part of that environment – so when you come in and do your management – it’s gonna have different impacts on different environments depending on what’s there and when you refer to your PEIS, which is almost like a context free assessment – like, like, you’re, you know, you’re – like you are doctors knowing and saying what drug do we use for different types of conditions and you’re coming up with, you know, a repertoire of different drugs that you could use – but when you’re dealing with a specific patient whether it’s specific, you know, all the other needs that person has – some of those could be contra-indicated and so forth – it seems like you’re – it’s an oversimplification in your approach for the PEIS. I understand what you’re trying to do - to come up with like a repertoire that’s acceptable – but how do you know it’s really acceptable in a specific real-life situation in the long term when you’re eradicating or heavily controlling and integral part of the environment... TL: Sid? SR: Yeah? That’s my... TL: \[Unclear\] here... PC: Um, you know, I think Sid raises the good – I, I, I think Sid’s interpretation of some results that people have had – where you look at unexpected results of controlling things and that happens in agricultural situations as well as natural resource situations as appropriate. I think the key thing that we’re looking at is we do want to have certain things within the environment that are measured after a project is completed, um, and that’s key is – we want to know is it successful for having, you know, bringing back the species that we need but you also and people have learned that you may also have to monitor other species, for instance, weeds that come up. So some of the things, I think, are stuff actually that are being thought about for this document. 21