2016-03-21 Game Management Advisory Commission Minutes

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Hawaii Game Management Advisory Commission Meeting Minutes – March 21, 2016 TL: Um, before we – is there anymore questions on this? NP: I have one more question. So, um, if, um, if a pueo eats a poisoned rat, um, are you concerned about the pueo – you say it won’t kill the pueo if they eat a poisoned rat – but what if there’s an accumulation in them – they’re a native species – you have to honor them and they do eat rodents… No? ?: We’re done a lot of research on that and we find that they don’t – they’re not eating scavenged animals. One – they don’t eat the scavenged animals so we leave out for them, 2) most of these animals are just dying underground anyway and 3) they would have to eat a sufficient amount of the toxin from an animal – like, they’d have to be eating a lot of rats everyday – so the, the likelihood of them being able to ingest that much material is extraordinarily, ah, slim. NP: Is there long term tests on build up in their system? ?: Ah, Diphacinone doesn’t build up. It’s actually – goes through your system pretty quick. That’s why you have to eat – you can’t just eat some – it doesn’t body accumulate – you have to eat it like every day for four or five days. For instance – to give you just a concept – just – ah, you know, I don’t know the specifics, but, for instance, for a person to get Diphacinone out of a pig – they would have to eat the pig liver – and in order to, ah, to have a 50% lethal effect on a person, I think you’d have to 170 pounds of pig liver in four days or something like that. So, it’s just to give you an example of… NP: Yeah… ?: ….the scale… NP: ….well, Agent Orange – Agent Orange showed up thirty years later… ?: Right… NP: ….in people’s thyroids and glands… ?: Right. That’s a little different. NP: But, you know, things like that happen. ?: Yeah, understood. TL: Oh… 12