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thing that remains would be essentially like having all of the interiors kind of completed, you <br /> know, the furnishing and, you know, the soft things, I think like you know, it's like when you <br /> build a house; when you build a house, you have the house all kind of like completed, I mean, <br /> you know, like the basic frame and all the things in, but it'll take you a long time to put in the <br /> cabinets and all that stuff, sometimes half as long as like the whatever you've got. So I think use <br /> those kind of like, you know, like lenses to determine substantial. <br /> CARR SMITH: Yeah, very good, thank you - - - <br /> ANDREWS: <br /> - -ANDREWS: Can I chime in? <br /> CARR SMITH: Jessica, sure. <br /> ANDREWS: I don't know if you want it to be, if you want to consider in the assessment of <br /> substantial completion tying it to inspections, construction inspections, that are done through the <br /> course of the construction process; there is framing inspection, there is foundation inspection. So <br /> I don't know if that would be anything <br /> CARR SMITH: Did you have a suggestion? <br /> ANDREWS: I mean, foundation inspection is—well, that's been done actually—so maybe <br /> framing or—frame inspection would be one step to tie it to. <br /> CARR SMITH: That's not substantial enough in my opinion. <br /> ANDREWS: Yeah, yeah, that I mean there is certainly, between there is framing inspection, <br /> framing inspection and final inspection, there is actually series of, you know, electrical, <br /> plumbing inspections, so. <br /> CARR SMITH: Okay, all right, so what Sid has recommended is that we add that language to <br /> item number 2, condition number 2, correct? <br /> VITOUSEK: Yeah, and I think that the point about having framing inspection be the cutoff for <br /> that 2025 date is reasonable <br /> CARR SMITH: Really? <br /> VITOUSEK: I think the developer can get behind that, and I think that's reasonable and <br /> definitive where after framing inspection, if they still have more finish work to do, and perhaps <br /> they can have a time extension to do that, but without framing that will hold them to it— <br /> although, <br /> talthough, you know, we do want to be careful and not make a big problem into a bigger problem. <br /> But I think, you know, I don't know, I'm inclined to leave it to the discretion of the Commission <br /> and indicate that, you know, substantial completion, and if they can look at it, and if the <br /> developer can come in and convince the Commission that they are doing what they said they <br /> were going to do and its definitive proof that there's people working on the project, to me that <br /> 28 <br /> EXHIBIT B <br />