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meaning ground disturbance, but obviously effect can extend beyond ground disturbance by <br /> introducing elements that are outside that can alter the aesthetic of a property. So, I would argue <br /> that although the direct effect is limited to the project area, was there consideration of a larger <br /> area of potential effect for indirect effects? <br /> ROY: Yes, we take into account impacts to the surrounding area and not just the areas where <br /> direct ground impacts will occur because of the sites being outside of the project area behind a <br /> wall, ahupua`a wall, we had determined that there would be limited impact or potential impact to <br /> those sites. The applicant may be able to address more specifically their preservation measures <br /> during construction. <br /> VITOUSEK: Alex, were you aware of the preservation plan that exists for these sites? <br /> ROY: Not necessarily, no. Only what was presented in the EA and the SMA application. <br /> VITOUSEK: Yeah, the EA mentions the fact that there is a preservation plan for these sites, but <br /> it doesn't identify what the preservation measures are for each of the sites. And I don't have a <br /> copy of that. I know we've got Mr. Rechtman, oh, he's not, he's not here now, but Lokelani <br /> Brandt from Rechtman's office, I know they prepared the preservation plan circa 2006. Would <br /> anybody like to comment on what preservation measures exist for site 21220 and 21219? <br /> BRANDT: As far as site 21219, the 21219, the spring well furo, and the ku`ula, I don't have that <br /> right now, but I can, give me a minute and I can go and track that stuff down. With respect to site <br /> 21218, the ahupua`a boundary wall, that iwi `aina that's on the south side of the bathroom, is part <br /> of the preservation measures that's part of the La`aloa Beach Park preservation plan, that wall is <br /> supposed to be realigned as part of the La`aloa site project. But it's not being included in this <br /> project itself. <br /> VITOUSEK: My understanding was that it was included in this project that that wall would be <br /> relocated as part of this project. Is that correct? <br /> BRANDT: From my understanding it's the relocation of the wall to the proper boundary is <br /> going to take place with the implementation of the preservation plan for the La`aloa Park site. <br /> Not with this one. <br /> TERRY: Chairman Vitousek, I wanted to clarify that. That's not part of this project. This project <br /> is restricted to the to the subject TMKs that were presented in the application. And, we did <br /> consider effects to all surrounding areas, not just historic properties, and there's no physical <br /> effects that can occur, the restroom has been downsized and made more attractive, and will <br /> present less of an issue, not more of an issue. There are no adverse impacts to those sites. <br /> VITOUSEK: So, I'll refer you to page 17 of the SMA Use Permit that states, "Department plans <br /> to realign the wall to its original location with the reconstruction stylistically matching the more <br /> mauka alignment of the same wall that still exists on the eastern side of Alii Drive." <br /> TERRY: That's absolutely true. <br /> 12 <br /> EXHIBIT C <br />