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lot of moving parts. And one of the things we recognize is s <br />and keep all the pieces together, and juggling all the pieces, and thats when we overload the <br />few people that we have. <br /> <br />Once you establish outreach and education, Director Mansour said, then the next step when we <br />go out and ask for fees or funding, it becomes easier politically, and it will be accepted easier <br />because everybody will understand. But to go out and say we are setting fees without <br />educating the public, its going to be outrageous. <br /> <br />Chair Adams said the model we have on this island is Hi-5. We pay a nickel for every can of soda <br />and drinks. And some of us take the time to get our money back. And a lot of us do not, and it <br />hardly stops anybody from buying cans and bottled drinks. Its like a gasoline tax, if you want to <br />reduce consumption, you have to put a pretty high price on things to affect peoples behavior. <br /> <br />Commissioner Olson commented that the kickoff funding, as with the bottle bill, always comes <br />back to the money, and we start with a guaranteed source. If we start with any sum of money, <br />we can use it to build the infrastructure that its going to take to make the solid waste stream <br />self-funding. It should not be on the property tax. Theres no longer a correlation, particularly <br />with the fact that we are dependent at this point on the visitor industry. Weve all traveled. We <br />buy an immense amount of stuff that never makes it home. Its the only thing as a starting point <br />that makes sense. <br /> <br />Chair Adams asked whether we should look at the transient accommodations tax as a revenue <br />source and how far to push it and how much we could use some money. How much money <br />does the Department even need? How many pennies would we have to charge on the goods <br />that get purchased here? We could only, as she understands it, get a maximum of $19 million <br />3 <br />from the TAT. The volume of need has got to be a whole package of ideas. We are not going to <br />find a single solution. <br /> <br />Director Mansour said the cost is driven by the cost of services we provide. We have transfer <br />stations that are operated seven days a week. The reason is because of convenience to the <br />users. But if you look at it from a collection point of view, your waste only gets collected once a <br />week. If we could get a human to rethink that, on this day we will use transfer station, rather <br />than just whenever the person feels like going to a transfer station, that could save a lot of <br />money. But we need to start setting a fee for that convenience, for the beneficial use of the <br />landfill, because everybody uses the landfill. Waste comes from every house and ends up at the <br />landfill. We could manage with what we got, but the level of service is going to drop, and <br />people need to have to acclimate to the change if they dont want to see extra fees. So it <br />depends. Things come at a cost. <br /> <br />3 <br /> The amount of revenue that a County transient accommodations tax would raise is unknown and depends on <br />several factors. Act 1, Special Session 2021, repealed the $19,158,000 allocation to the County of Hawaii from the <br />State TAT beginning in FY 21-22, and authorized the counties to enact legislation establishing a County TAT of up to <br />3 percent, in addition to the State TAT. The County of Hawaii has not yet enacted such legislation. <br />11 <br /> <br /> <br />