2021-07-15 Leeward Exh E (Comm 183)

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DEFRANCO: Okay. Can I make one comment, Mike? VITOUSEK: (Indiscernible–simultaneous speech) DEFRANCO: Mike? Because that, because Mark brought up the Ethics hearing and that he was found okay, I—Mark, this isn't about your vast knowledge or who you are and all the good things about you. This isn't about that. It's about behavior and knowing how to behave here with us and respect each other, even if we disagree. That's what it's about. And, Mark, what happ- did anything, how did you behave at the Ethics commission? What was that like? Mike, what was that like? VITOUSEK: Board of Ethics? CommissionerI mean, there was a back-and-forth between Commissioner Van Pernis and the chair of the Ethics commission, and also the chair of the Ethics commission told him that he would have to be muted, if he wouldn't stop arguing. DEFRANCO: Right, so it's VAN PERNIS: That, that, that's not true. That's basically not true. And if you are asking about the prior commission, you are asking about the Kailua Village Design Commission where I was DEFRANCO: No, no, I'm not. I was asking specifically—excuse me, Mark—Mike a question because you spoke about being at the Ethics VAN PERNIS: (Indiscernible–simultaneous speech) DEFRANCO: I wanted to know, because we are talking about behavior, how you were in front of the Ethics committee, and Mike just responded. So now I'm going to ask another question and then move on. And I'm going to ask Shani: Did you watch any of the videos or are you familiar with any of this? Can you tell us? ARMBRUSTER: You know, I watched a little bit of old meetings, but I, unfortunately, I don't feel like I have enough knowledge to speak on this now. DEFRANCO: Okay. And then I also wanted to say that the County Council, when we went before them, they asked us why we had doubt with this as commission; they asked us why we, why this was, we asked them, but they asked us, and this is why we are putting it here between us, because why don't we clean up our own backyard, that's what they were saying to us, you know, what—and, and the other thing that came up is that Mark, it was decided he had a disability, which we had never heard about before. So then we get a lot to compensate for his disability of providing things for him to make it easier for him so it wouldn't be so frustrated, because it was felt that maybe some of his aggressiveness was because he was frustrated. So we did that. It didn't work. It just hasn't worked. And so today, all we are doing is making a recommendation. The vote, the thing that's on the floor is to recommend to the County Council 14 EXHIBIT E