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I've listened to the council and committee through its two hearings and spoken privately with
<br /> council persons. I long ago provided the suggested written letter of apologyI hope you've
<br /> already seen it as addressed to you as well to supplement my oral apologies on the record to the
<br /> commissioners and Chair Vitousek. I know it says here Mr. Vitousek asked for a letter of
<br /> apology but did not refer to, it didn't say it was here.
<br /> I hope you've all read my letter, or my testimony—it's not a letter, it's my testimony—and I
<br /> think you all know my activities. This is a matter that the County Council must decide, not this
<br /> panel. And if this panel is going to go forward, I would say that there has to be a ruling from the
<br /> chair that this concerns commission business of recommending land planning matters to the
<br /> county.
<br /> Ms. Yates, I know that you had your hand up.
<br /> YATES: Yeah, I think
<br /> VITOUSEK: Okay
<br /> YATES: Oh, I'm sorry, go ahead, Mike.
<br /> VITOUSEK: Is that it for testimony, Commissioner Van Pernis?
<br /> YATES: I'm sorry?
<br /> VITOUSEK: Commissioner Yates, go ahead.
<br /> YATES: Okay. What I did want to say is that, you know, I have been the commissioner that sat
<br /> in with Mark in most of the hearings because, you know, at that point in time we both didn't
<br /> have Zoom, so we were in Kona. I do agree that, you know, sometimes that, you know, when
<br /> Mark got on a tangent, it was like no stopping him from talking and, you know, being the kind of
<br /> person that he is, he's very, being an attorney, I guess, he just goes on and on and on, and, you
<br /> know, he has his point of view, and unfortunately,you know, he wouldn't stop when he should
<br /> stop. And I know that for those, you know, like for Mike and for Nancy and for, oh gosh, the
<br /> previous chair, that it gets really frustrating and, of course, then it seems probably combative.
<br /> And of course, I have to agree with the complaints, because I feel that, you know, when he is
<br /> asked to stop, he should stop, and, you know, and continue maybe later on. So all I'm saying is
<br /> that, you know, fortunately, for me, you know, I just kind of sat there and just, you know, none
<br /> of it was directed, but being longwinded is like, and getting on and on and on, we didn't get
<br /> anywhere, spent a lot of time. And if we were not the ones who are going to be deciding what's
<br /> going to happen to Mark, other than sharing our feelings, then I don't know what we are doing.
<br /> You say we are recommending or what—okay, Barbara.
<br /> DEFRANCO: Yeah, we are just sharing our feelings, and we are making a recommendation; we
<br /> are not making any decisions.
<br /> YATES: Okay.
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