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<br />AA: Right. And like you said now that the forest is pretty much dead in those areas – like you <br />said – the weeds are just taking over in private land, state land – the weeds are just out <br />of control. <br /> <br />JBF: The weeds are absolutely out of control – now I will say that, again, it’s complicated a <br />lot of areas – so if you go down Kamaili Road at the very top of the road in that exposed <br />ridge – those trees died more than 10 years ago, eleven, twelve years ago. If you go <br />down to the bottom where it’s that sheltered forest, there’s still a lot of healthy ohia <br />down there… <br /> <br />AA: Yeah… <br /> <br />JBF: …. the pali there… So it – I’m not saying Puna is hopeless but I’m saying we’ve lost <br />thousands of acres of ohia forest in Puna. <br /> <br />AA: Yeah, we still got the Nanawale Forest Reserve – that’s still pretty, fairly healthy and <br />some of the other forests around that area… <br /> <br />JBF: Yeah… <br /> <br />AA: …. not like 100% healthy but, you know, they’re still pretty healthy but there’s a lot of <br />forest that’s actually been taken out and a lot of them is in private land. <br /> <br />JBF: Right… Most of Puna is private land and… <br /> <br />AA: Right… <br /> <br />JBF: …. most of the ohia forest is private land… <br /> <br />AA: Right, right… So why does the blame – seems like you guys picked blame to go to the <br />easiest and it’s not really just you guys it goes too for everyone – it’s kinda like corona <br />virus – I don’t want to say it but, you know, you just pick the simplest and easiest thing <br />to blame so let’s just blame the ungulates for spreading the Rapid Ohia Death and then <br />last – not last year we didn’t have weaners lasts year – 2019 I think or maybe 2018, um, <br />what was that guy’s name – some state guy came in – can’t think of his name right now <br />– he came in and he was kinda blaming the hunters for scarring up the trees and <br />marking up the trees and damaging the trees – you know, it’s like you guys or everyone <br />kind of goes for the simplest things, well, like you said earlier in your presentation – you <br />cannot pick when the hurricanes are gonna come – that’s a difficult thing – what about <br />the birds? Have you guys been up in the trees and documenting how much damage the <br />birds do or the rats? <br /> <br />21 <br /> <br /> <br />