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are encountering a similar situation as Mr. K’s. She likes Commissioner Fulton’s idea of a few commissioners working on it. She is a little unclear about how the non-HI-5 program works. Mr. Kadota agreed that a motion should be about more than an individual business. What happens to the non-HI-5 glass? The majority is done by Business Services Hawaii, so it stays on island. But what do they really do with it? Ms. Berrig said the grant money is tied into not just the collection of glass, but it has to be recycled. Before we pay out on invoices for the hauling of the glass, we are provided proof that it is being reused. Primarily it has been used for landscaping, or construction backfill like ditches. Payment invoices are accompanied by photos or information about who is getting the glass from them, and that information is provided to the Department of Health before we get any money from them. Every quarter we do grant reports. So if you collect it, then there has to be proof. In order to get money, they would have to show proof that it is being recycled. to crush all that glass. They used to do that and provide it for free. Any resident could pick it up and use it for landscaping or whatnot. That ended a number of years ago. She also had a quick question for Ms. Berrig. With HI-5, the consumer pays that additional nickel when they purchase that item. But with non-HI-5, that doesn’t happen. So where does the money come from for the non-HI-5 glass? Is that a grant and where does that grant money come from? Ms. Berrig said the wholesaler pays when it brings in, say, a pallet of tomato sauce. The wholesaler pays 1.5 pennies per container, and that goes to the Department of Health, and DOH tells us how much we qualify for, and every quarter we apply for it back. Chair Adams said that it is an EPR program of sorts. The shipper has to pay a fee that goes to paying for recycling. Ms. Berrig clarified that BSH is Commissioner Robinson asked Mr. Kadota what else is the community trying to dispose of at Mr. K’s Recycling other than glass and e-waste. Mr. Kadota said we do also cardboard – they drop off cardboard becauseeverybody brings it in and they want to recycle it. We tell them that the County has a recycling bin at the transfer stations, but they still do it here. We like to help them out because for them to go the dump is a hassle, and we take a little bit of it, and we ourselves recycle our own. There’s a County bin for commercial glass, but he’s a recycler, so he recycles his own. And the thing with the glass is he recycles his own non-HI-5 glass. With one container of 45,000 pounds, we get $200 from our recyclers, and it takes us about $5,000 to get it to the West Coast. This is with HI-5 glass. To answer Commissioner Robinson’s question, Mr. Kadota said we do take in non-HI-5 PET (polyethylene terephthalate) bottles, as well as HDPE (high-density polyethylene), whatever 6