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into gravesite A. It seems to be very specific to those areas indicated on the map on the wall. At <br />any point is it proper to engage in discussion of Hoikeana cemetery as a whole in your opinion? <br />LINDSEY:Hoikeana Church Cemetery as a whole in terms of the whole boundaries <br />of the parcel? <br />SPRINGER:Yes. <br />LINDSEY:I guess potential was a, for future use of that parcel. <br />SPRINGER:I€m wondering if there wasany, what the verification or what the voracity <br />of the apparent statement that, or the statement that apparently only sites A & B contain iwi. <br />LINDSEY:Relative to the church€s involvement on the property. <br />SPRINGER:Thank you I have no further questions. Mahalo. <br />ALAMEDA:Other questions Commissioners before we turn it over to the applicant for <br />redirect?Mr.Krueger? <br />KRUEGER:ThankyouMr.Chairman.WithregardtoCommissionerSpringer€slast <br />question to you, excuse me, having to do with a limited warranty deed. I believe just for the sake <br />of clarification the limited warranted deed on page 2 says that no additional burials or <br />internments of remains will be allowed in either gravesite A or gravesite B with the exception <br />that number one, Louisa Luika Kima Haalilio may be buried at gravesite A and then the <br />cremated remains may be buried at gravesite A. So there were both of those things I believe. <br />But if, Mr. Lindsey, you didn€t visit this site not knowing that there was a cemetery there right? <br />You knew that it was, that there were burials and that it was a cemetery. <br />LINDSEY:My supervisor briefed me over the phone what type of site this was. <br />KRUEGER:Okay. And when, when you went there if I told you that in the sale <br />document between the church and Mr. Ibbetson that there was a meets and bounds description of <br />site A and site B specifically identifying those as the only 2 sites on the property that had <br />remains and that those were the 2 sites that he was supposed to allow the descendants to maintain <br />and access to would that be consistent with what you saw when you went there? <br />LINDSEY:Yes. <br />KRUEGER:Now the burial treatment plan that I believe it was Commissioner Siracusa <br />asked you about. May have been Mike Matsukawa I€m sorry I forgot at this point. Is a burial <br />treatment plan necessary where the gravesites already exist within a cemetery? In other words <br />they€re not going to be moved and they exist within a cemetery is there a burial treatment plan <br />necessary? <br />EXHIBIT B <br />17 <br /> <br />