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section that Ive quoted now makes it very clear that the term reasonable use of land is a reference to the use, the request, the requested use of land. And, were not requesting permission to build a house, we dont need permission to build a house. Okay. GRAHAM:Mr. Torigoe, does that strike you the same way that were hearing? TORIGOE:This is normally the kind of question that, you know what, in the past this is not the kind of question that you would ask your counsel on the record because this may end up, you know, being appealed. And so, if you want to ask me my opinion normally you go into Executive Session to ask that kind of question. You could ask the Planning Director as a party for his view of that. But if you wanted to ask me on the record then, you know, that is going to basically waive any kind of privilege that we may have to discuss the issue. GRAHAM:Since the document Im referring to was put forth by the Planning Department,ImwillingtoaskthattoRoy,ourAssistantDirector. TAKEMOTO:Therecommendationstemsfromadifferentpointofviewfromthe applicant. We interpret it as the area to be considered as the lot. Because in 10-, whatever that section B, subsection B states, it goes- it says, The determination of the reasonableness of the use of land shall consider factors such as shoreline conditions, erosion, surf and flood condition, and the geography of the lot as it relates to health and safety. And the point about the house being a permitted use on the lot, a lot of times there are uses where it depends on what you can do in the shoreline setback area. I dont know, maybe a wastewater treatment plant where youve got to extend an ocean disposal pipeline through the shoreline setback area. You have to go through that area in order for that primary use to be permitted. So, in that case, what happens within the shoreline setback area determines what can happen on the entire lot. SPRINGER:Commissioners, other discussion at this time? If there is none Id like to invite the testifiers who have signed up to testify on this matter to come forward at this time. Im sorry, Mr. Vitousek, is that agreeable with you? Are you pau? VITOUSEK:Yes, yes. SPRINGER:Thank you. Perhaps if the applicant and his representative can stand back from the table. So far we have three people signed up: Josephine Keliipio, Dale Laurance, and Janice Palma Glennie, and Mr. Rothstein as well. Good morning, well take testimony from the three members of the public who have come forward starting with Ms. Keliipio. If you could please give us your name and residential address for the record. KELIIPIO:My name is Josephine Keliipio. I live at 76-168 Royal Poinciana Drive, Kailua-Kona. SPRINGER:Thank you. You may proceed with your testimony. 9