2022-04-07 Windward Exh B (Item 1 Holcomb PL-SMA-2021-007)

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AU: Thank you for your comments, Director Kern. I have a few comments for Commissioners. We all live on this island, and I would love to hear from Commissioners that live in that area. Public access for fishermen or opihi pickers,just people that want to go to the beach is important, but safety is a huge issue, and those pictures look very dangerous. And I applaud the applicant and the representatives to create a way to keep that access alive for these fishermen that have been there for 5 generations, but the liability is a big concern of mine. We would hate for something to happen and when it does happen, we can put all the safeguards in place for the applicant and for the licensee people that are going to be able to use this access. But we just really don't know, and I guess, maybe I'd like to hear some thoughts and comments from other Commissioners. DE LUZ: Good morning, Chair. In the past, my family did have a similar situation when we lived on the Hamakua Coast. The one thing I would recommend, though, is to what they do with hunters is have a log when people come and go, because you never know, even though it may be a small community. That would just be my recommendation for the landowner is to have them log in and out. So, you know when people will access the property, but I do agree that it looks very dangerous. In the past, similar situations where you got to be a really good climber, even if they are repelling down there because the ladder, I'm assuming was put by someone else way back when. But even that usually we would have to use safety ropes, because the ladder you can always fall back. So, I guess, my basic belief is that this group of fishermen have been going there for so long, I guess, my assumption is they know of the risk and the potential risk. So, I applaud the landowner to recognize the fact to still allow them there. I think it's very dangerous, but if they're willing to take the risk then I'm okay with that. Thank you. LIN: Chair, I have a comment. AU: Yes, go ahead Commissioner Lin. LIN: So, I'm not a full-time fisherman, a recreational weekend fisherman, but looking at that descent as fishermen, we kind of gauge our environment. If the waves are too big, if the cliff is too tall to go down, we know our own experience. Even if it may be the best place to catch menpachi or whatever kind of fish, I think, each person they know their experience in that area. Because I wouldn't go down there because I'm not very good climber, and I'm not looking for big fish. I think just like Mr. De Luz said, those people who are using this trail are probably the people have been using it for generations and they know how to get down there safely and properly. So, I think a lot of the conditions and the methodologies that Mr. Knable and the applicant is going to be using will help with that. But as a weekend fisherman and I wouldn't go down there just because I know I couldn't get down there. So, I think the fishermen who go down there, they know. AU: Thank you Commissioner Lin. I have a question for Mr. Ron Terry. Mr. Terry are you there? Hey, Ron. TERRY: Yes, yes, hi. 9 EXHIBIT B