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– sort of its partner in algal enrichment – was up by 350 percent. So you know, very substantial increases. And they also note all nutrient parameters were out of compliance again with the National Park standards, and those are the other nutrients that are measured. So it’s a fairly clear signal that the anchialine pond in this relatively short period of time is changing dramatically; and in some cases it’s hard to exactly say where the change is coming from, but it’s certainly coincident with the build-out of the development. RHO: But I wanted to concentrate on your statement, “way out of compliance”. So there is some table some place that determines what “way out of compliance” is? WALSH: The National Park Service. Department of Health usually sets the water quality standards, right? For anchialine ponds, they do not, because they do not view that as their jurisdiction for some reason. RHO: I think you said the federal government or Feds. WALSH: The National Park Service has a set of anchialine pond water quality standards. And so you apply the water quality monitoring results to those standards, and you end up with -, you know, 300 percent which is way out of compliance for that. RHO: Right. And I think in response to one of the questions, you said there was nobody actually in charge of monitoring that compliance or enforcing compliance. WALSH: That’s correct. Neither the State nor the County really is looking over for the health or the maintenance, the water quality, the biological integrity, of anchialine ponds. It’s not even clear who has jurisdiction over those waters; are they state waters or are they county waters? It’s up in the air; nobody knows. RHO: How about the near shore waters? WALSH: Near shore waters, it’s very clear. That’s when DOH – Department of Health – has their water quality standards that are in effect for near shore waters. So when we talk about the results of the UH study, and they say similar kinds of changes in the deleterious sense, those are based against the Department of Health standards in that case – near shore waters. Oceanic waters, near shore waters: Department of Health monitors those. Ground water: Again no monitoring and no standards by Department of Health. And as I said, anchialine pond waters: No standards by DOH. RHO: Thank you. GRAHAM: Thank you. Commissioner Iwashita? IWASHITA: There are these words at the end of the executive summary talking about – I want to say it correctly; anchialine? WALSH: Anchialine, anchialine. EXHIBIT C 13