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WATANABE: Yes. <br />IWASHITA: Thank you, Mr. Chair. I just want to clarify my understanding on the <br />service of notice issue in this contested case. Was the notice of this meeting send by regular mail <br />also? <br />HAYASHI: No, just by certified mail. <br />IWASHITA: Okay. Mr. Chair, I guess my understanding of the rule, Rule 4, the <br />applicable subsection, is that it requires service by mail, or allow service by mail and doesn’t <br />specify service by certified mail. So I’m just a little concerned, because it’s a contested case, and <br />I really don’t want this tied up, whatever the decision is, have this tied up in any kind of, I guess <br />if there is approval, post-approval litigation or, probably. Then I’m just concerned about the <br />status of service and compliance with the rule. And that would be my concern, if we’re <br />proceeding at this time. And I’m thinking, I guess my suggestion is that, to be very conservative <br />about making sure this is handled properly, that we postpone hearing this matter until the next <br />meeting, and have service by mail, just regular US Postal Service mail, done in compliance with <br />the specific words of the rule. <br />WATANABE: My personal interpretation would be that certified mail is a US mail, or a <br />portion of the US mail, but I defer to someone who also wears a tie in the room. So, Mr. <br />Takase? <br />TAKASE: Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Mr. Iwashita is correct as to your Rules; <br />however, you are also governed by Chapter 91, HRS, which is Administrative Procedure’s act, <br />and in there Section 91-9.5 states, “Unless otherwise provided by law, all parties shall be given <br />written notice of hearing by registered or certified mail with return receipt requested at least <br />fifteen days before the hearing,” and goes on to further say, “Unless otherwise provided by law, <br />if service by registered or certified mail is not made because of the refusal to accept service or <br />the board or its agents have been unable to ascertain the address of the party after reasonable and <br />diligent inquiry, the notice of hearing may be given to the party by publication at least once in <br />each of two successive weeks in a newspaper of general circulation.” In this case, I think, you <br />know, your Rules are silent as to whether it has to be certified or not, but I think that, I don’t see <br />certified mail as being a lesser than regular mail; so I think you’ve met the requirements both of <br />the Statute and of your Rules by the certified mail. And you know, I think the testimony <br />provided by the staff today is that it was mailed timely, that it was just a failure of the intervenor <br />to go and get the mail; he was told that the mail was there. And reading your minutes, you <br />know, this is not the first time it’s happened. So I don’t think that they can avoid, or prolong the <br />hearing by refusing to accept that. I think the Rules and the Statute give you the actual word for <br />word. <br />WATANABE: Thank you. <br />WOODWARD: Mr. Chairman? <br />WATANABE: Yes. <br />EXHIBIT B <br />5 <br /> <br />