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quarter to or 2 or something like that at least before we get back for our next agenda item. So, my sense at this time is if any of you are here waiting for the next agenda item be sure to be back by 2 and youre not going to miss your opportunity. All right thanks. Mr. Lau, Mr. Smith, Im, I guess this is your last time before us before we discuss amongst ourselves and take action so as a result of what youve heard or Mr. Gimpels testimony if you have any further remarks youd like to make? LAU:No we have no further comments. GRAHAM:All right thank you. So you may go back and I guess well go into our discussion now. Do any of the Commissioners have anything to put forth at the moment for our discussion? I guess we could wait for motion but I think we have a number of issues in there so maybe its good to just discuss a little bit first. Commissioner Springer? SPRINGER:If Commissioner Iwashita may ask his question of me now? GRAHAM:Yes, I believe the question was you wanted clarification of what Commissioner Springer meant when she made her last question to the applicant regarding ethnographic? IWASHITA:Yeah and explain it to me like I was a 6 year old. SPRINGER:Okay. GRAHAM:All right thank you. Commissioner Springer? SPRINGER:We have before us an archaeological report which discusses in very clinical fashion the physical remains that are on the subject property. An ethnographic report would draw upon archival including written and cartographic materials and then also include interviews with local informants, kamaaina of the region in which the subject property is situated. In general in order to have an understanding of the cultural context in which a site occurs the archaeology may not be sufficient to provide that context and when I look at our rules regarding the SMA theres a discussion about identifying the scope of valued cultural, historical or natural resources in the petitioned area including the extent to which traditional and custom native Hawaiian rights are exercised in the petitioned area and theres not a discussion of that but that I was able to find. My interest is in particular peaked because of the presence of the Keolanahihi and Keakealaniwahine complexes in very close proximity to this subject property. And but for recent innovations and developments including Alii Drive I have reason to believe that this site may have at one time been contiguous with those complexes but I have no discussion of that before me. Also the presence of the Judd Trail peaks my interest because althoughwecallittheJuddTrailduringthelatteryearsofthereignofKamehamehatheIII, Judd was commissioned to go and build a highway from the West side to the East side. And that hechosethislocationtoconductthisworkpeaksmyinterest.Andagaintheresnodiscussionof it except for the physical remains of it in this brief area where it traverses the subject property. Andtherecertainlyisa,aninterestingproposalforarchaeologicalpreservationthatissubmitted as part of the application. I just dont find the discussion as deep as it might be with regard to EXHIBIT 14