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again the cultural context. And although the State Historic Preservation Officer has accepted the <br />report I€m looking at the logo for Joseph Kennedy€s company and it says mea ike hana lima o <br />ke au i hala‚ and I was hoping he€d be here so he could translate that for us because I€m not sure <br />what it means and I€m not sure if I agree with the statement contained there. But without him to <br />be here I cannot ask him about that. <br />GRAHAM:Commissioner Iwashita does that satisfy your question? <br />IWASHITA:I think I have a better understanding of. So the Commission is concerned <br />that or is the Commissioner concerned enough so that you would ask that, eth-, what is it ethno? <br />SPRINGER:Ethnographic. <br />IWASHITA:Ethnographic component or work be done before we take further <br />consideration of this application. <br />GRAHAM:Commissioner Springer? <br />SPRINGER:I guess I would look to the Director to join us in this conversation at this <br />time because clearly the State Historic Preservation Office has accepted this material. They <br />apparently do find it sufficient and have, have submitted correspondence to that effect. Mr. <br />Director does the application stand as it is or could we ask for more information despite the <br />Historic Preservation Office having given their approval? <br />YUEN:I know that often times they do actually ask for backgrounds, historical <br />ethnographic background information along with the archaeological report. I don€t know why <br />they didn€t in this case. But if, I mean I stand by our recommendation they have approved the <br />site preservation plan. Most, and you see that there, there was some, reading the letters there was <br />some concern about it and because it-. If you look at, probably the best thing to look at is in the <br />archaeological book; there€s figure 4 site location map. You notice that practically the whole <br />frontage of Alii Drive is comprised of archaeological sites. There€s another map that shows that <br />a couple of these are burials. And if there€s a letter to the effect that was very difficult to find a <br />way to get into this property. They also, they I€m familiar with the area because this, this is just <br />south of the Blasman property that was a contested SMA permit. There€s one property in <br />between which is owned by Pukopo. I have looked at actually the archaeological reports for <br />Pukopo that also has a lot of archaeological sites. I€m not sure that there€s a way in from the <br />north even and so SHPDA did agree to that access corridor, it€s sort of in the middle of the <br />property at site 8025. I think no doubt that they regarded these sites as significant. No doubt <br />that, no doubt they are. And we have preservation requirements which essentially preserve the <br />frontage of the site except for a 50-foot wide access way through one of these sites. <br />GRAHAM:Could I just personally throw my, as a Commissioner my concerns in the <br />samedirectionforwardandIthinkmaybeIevenamgoingatleastasbroadoralittlebroader <br />which is we do see on our site location map you know what looked like a fairly intense <br />communityhereinthepast.Andthentheapplicantisgoingtopreservemajorsectionsofthat <br />community but in breach the community with his entryway and as we see on our map to the right <br />EXHIBIT <br />15 <br /> <br />