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GRAHAM:Do we have any further questions or comments from the Commissioners? <br />Commissioner McCall? <br />MCCALL:I guess just in discussion I am somewhat uncomfortable with the <br />archaeological report. It seems you know I would like to get more information before I would be <br />willing to give a favorable vote on this. I don€t know whether, I mean I€m certainly not an <br />expert in you know in deciding where the Judd trail I mean we€ve got but I feel we need better <br />information. I don€t really know that a site visit would really do anything you know cause I€m <br />not an expert at this. But I feel like we, like there€s some deficiencies in their archaeological <br />report. That a little more information I think is needed some more you know to (inaudible) my <br />concerns about what is really there. Because there€s no going back from you know from the <br />SMA approval. It stops with this body. <br />LAU:Commissioner McCall if I may respond to that. It€s our position that if <br />there are remnants of the Judd trail within our property. That those remnants are within the <br />preservation area that has been approved by the State. So I think the, the protection that, that at <br />least that I see is that if the trail is there it€s within the preservation area, that there will be no <br />development. And what we are willing to offer is a mapping of the Judd trail and also public <br />access over that portion of the Judd trail that€s on the property. With respect to the cultural <br />aspects that Commissioner Springer raised we would also be willing to live with a, or accept a <br />condition whereby prior to development a cultural survey be conducted to supplement the reports <br />that were already submitted to the State. <br />GRAHAM:Mr. Lau, just procedurally at this point I only brought you folks back to <br />answer specific questions. So if you would refrain even though your comments were very <br />helpful there, refrain unless there€s a direct question. <br />LAU:Okay. <br />GRAHAM:Thank you. Do we have anything more from the Commissioners? <br />Commissioner McCall? <br />MCCALL:Maybe to respond. That is all and good but my concerns are for the <br />overall. I mean I think that there needs to be a little more look at the overall area and whether <br />you know whether-. I would at the very least would like to for myself be able to talk to the <br />archaeologist or get some more feedback on whether this is really, whether everything is here. <br />So just at this point I don€t feel I have enough information to give a positive vote. <br />GRAHAM:Thank you. Commissioner Iwashita? <br />IWASHITA:I have similar concerns to Commissioner Springer and Commissioner <br />McCallandyouknowI€lljustpointoutoneIguessIdon€tknowifitssmallorbigbutit€shere <br />in the record in the comment of the writing by Charles Rhodes it looks like. Discussing the <br />basicallythisisPalacegroundswe€retalkingabout.Andyouknowwehavenoother <br />information about, about that the ethnographic type of evidence that Commissioner Springer <br />EXHIBIT <br />20 <br /> <br />