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MORIN: I'd like to comment on that—
<br /> VITOUSEK:
<br /> hatVITOUSEK: Sure.
<br /> MORIN: I think that's a really, really important thing, I mean, at the end of the day we are
<br /> working to decarbonize. And I believe at this point in time we are at 60 percent or so renewable,
<br /> and there are aggressive measures to increase that over time. So on a positive note our EVs get
<br /> cleaner over time, right, as the grid gets cleaner. More importantly on that last point, there are
<br /> already these strategies, time of use strategies, you'll see this at the public DC fast charging, for
<br /> example, where the pricing actually encourages charging during certain times of the day when
<br /> you have abundant solar. So, and I think they are also time of use for home. So there are these
<br /> different strategies that serve to encourage charging when the supply is there. And again, we are
<br /> aiming for 100 percent renewable here, so at some point, you know, even if you are plugging
<br /> into the grid and you don't have solar on your roof, you are actually going to be driving your car
<br /> on renewables.
<br /> KIMBALL: And then another tip point to make along those lines, too, is that efficiency factor
<br /> that Noel mentioned before. The electric batteries are so much more efficient than the fossil fuel
<br /> vehicles that even though, even if you were charging on a fully fossil fuel-based grid, you still
<br /> use, what is it, about a third less over the lifetime of fossil fuel, produces a third fewer emissions.
<br /> And, of course, our grid is nearly 60 percent renewable already, so that's even compounded.
<br /> But, you know, important point that it's, it's all an ecosystem, yeah, the vehicles, the electric
<br /> grid, and we are all anxious to reduce emissions as much as possible.
<br /> VITOUSEK: The question on the trigger for retrofit of existing parking lots. Now, would that
<br /> apply to parking lots that were in existence prior to 2012 when they were built before the rule
<br /> came into effect?
<br /> KAY: I'm not sure. Do you happen to know, Councilmember Kimball, if there is a, like a
<br /> grandfather clause when legislation at the State was made? So the question was those lots that
<br /> were created prior to the HRS change in 2012, are those grandfathered or not? And not, if not
<br /> applicable, this bill would not be applicable to them?
<br /> KIMBALL: No, there was not any grandfathering provision in the HRS that set that initial
<br /> requirement of one per 100, and it has not to this point been challenged. So, no, there isn't a
<br /> grandfather—so this would also apply to anything, even if it was prior to 2012.
<br /> VITOUSEK: And so what would we think is an ideal trigger for getting lots that are subject to
<br /> those rules into compliance with them? Is it any form of permitting review? I think relying on
<br /> the complaint-violation process isn't the most effective way of accomplishing it.
<br /> KAY: Understood. So this is tricky, this is the third option, this is for all other lots that don't
<br /> need to come in and get Plan Approval. Plan Approval is really our only kind of time point
<br /> where we address parking, so if these lots already have
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