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GIFFIN:Mikahala? <br />ROY:Thank you and just the last question -. IÓm uneasy about whether <br />later he would be termed an expert and being able to be called an expert, say, a gentleman <br />such as going to be testifying at the moment. So IÓd rather discuss it at the outset. <br />TORIGOE:I donÓt know if the parties have any leaning on this. I know it <br />seems that at least the Intervenor and Ms. Roy would like to see some form of expert <br />recognition. I guess if the parties would like to stipulate to have some form of expert <br />recognition as part of a Contested Case procedure, we could do that. Is there any feeling? <br />GIFFIN:Mr. Vitousek? <br />VITOUSEK:Yeah, I mean, I think that the procedure that Mr. Torig <br />with, which was that people be allowed to express opinions, subject to cross-examination <br />by other parties and subject to the hearings officers being able to determine on, by <br />whatever criteria they apply the weight that theyÓre going to give to the testimony, is fair <br />and equal. So thatÓs fine with me. As a practical approach, thatÓs probably the best one. <br />As you know IÓm comfortable offering someone as expert witness and establishing their <br />credentials and cross-examining somebody elseÓs credentials. But I think that <br />Mr. Torigoe is trying to avoid this becoming overly legalistic and -. <br />GIFFIN:Oh, I understand that and I appreciate that. <br />VITOUSEK:And I think thatÓs a good point. <br />GIFFIN:Right, right. <br />VITOUSEK:So as long as we understand that whether testimony is, you know, <br />characterized as something they saw or heard, or an opinion, that it comes in, subject to <br />cross-examination, thatÓs fine with me. <br />GIFFIN:And without the formal designation -? <br />VITOUSEK:Without the formal -. <br />GIFFIN:On our part of accepting that individual as an expert? <br />VITOUSEK:Yes. <br />GIFFIN:Thank you. <br />VITOUSEK:You know, but, on the other hand if itÓs going to made an issue by <br />another party, then we want to make sure we comply with whateverÓs required. <br />10 <br /> <br />