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ISHADO:Well, I agree with the perspectives of both sides here. Basically, I <br />do see that a lot of expertise is not in the education with degrees or something like that. <br />However, I do think that the panel has the wisdom, if you will, to make a determination <br />of what should be given weight. And I certainly had no qualms about all the parties <br />being made experts. But I think Mr. TorigoeÓs point is well taken. <br />GIFFIN:Hannah, I know you had a question or Î. <br />SPRINGER:No. <br />GIFFIN:Okay. Thank you. Mr. Vitousek? <br />VITOUSEK:Okay. If I could just briefly examine the witness in order to <br />establish the design of the building, and then weÓll turn him over for cross-examination. <br />So what IÓd like to do is just question Mr. Bleck relative to using the models so that we <br />can get the orientation of the model, and then we can, hopefully, use that as part of ou <br />the presentation and then cross-examination. <br />GIFFIN:Yes. <br />VITOUSEK:So would you please state your name for the record? <br />BLECK:Paul Bleck. <br />VITOUSEK:Okay. And, Mr. Bleck, youÓre retained as project architect by <br />Mr. Blasman relative to this proposed condominium, is that correct? <br />BLECK:Yes. <br />VITOUSEK:Okay. And as part of that, you came up with a proposed <br />conceptual design for the condominium, isnÓt that correct? <br />BLECK:ThatÓs correct. <br />VITOUSEK:And in front of you on the table, on the witness table, is a model of <br />the proposed project. IsnÓt that correct? <br />BLECK:Yes. <br />VITOUSEK:Okay. And, so, Madam Chair, can I stand up and re-orient the <br />model? <br />GIFFIN:Yes. <br />VITOUSEK:Thank you. What I would really like to do is try to orient it so that <br />we all agree on what the, on which direction is makai, which direction is mauka -. <br />12 <br /> <br />