2022-07-21 Leeward Exh H (Items 5&6 Hawaii One1 PL-REZ-2022-000014 & PL-SMA-2022-000012)

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VAN BERGEN: Yeah, by the owners VITOUSEK: Yes, that you know of. VAN BERGEN: or his representative, that's all I'm saying. I mean, yeah, and the owners are, they are very, they are open to whatever is best for the community and whatever cultural practices should be. It's not they are against it; I'm just simply stating they have VITOUSEK: You are simply not aware of any at the time. VAN BERGEN: No, that's all I'm saying. VITOUSEK: I understand, and I think that the issue being is that we've had, there's been multiple public testimony indicating that there may be or there is a desire to continue those practices. And my understanding is that the PASH rights preserves not only the practice themselves but the ability to conduct that practice. Now I'm not saying that that's being infringed by the development; all I'm saying is I don't know. I don't think we've had that, that thorough analysis at this point. Commissioner DeFranco. DEFRANCO: I'm going to change the subject a little bit, if that's okay. VITOUSEK: Sure. DEFRANCO: Because, you know, Mike is saying things have changed, you know, from 2006 until now, and so what—you know, the other point that people have brought up is traffic, right? VITOUSEK: Yes. DEFRANCO: And, and so when was the last time a traffic impact study—or did you do a recent one of how this would affect the traffic? And the other thing that people bring up is the tsunami, you know, and I mean those are all current concerns, too, besides the cultural thing, which I think you are trying to address by this proposed condition, right? That's how you are trying to do the cultural thing. But the other concern that I hear from community is the traffic, the tsunami, the overuse of the road. Can you speak to that a little bit, too? VAN BERGEN: I want to just say that as far as the road goes, yes, there will be increased traffic on Alii Drive, and we did do a second TIAR as far as this application. But we are talking about a limited portion of Alii Drive for 90 percent of the traffic, because when you leave, if that subdivision does occur, the subdivision, most of the times if you are going the Kona, you are going to go a very short distance and go up La`aloa. Back in 2009 when the ordinance was passed, we didn't have La`aloa. DEFRANCO: We didn't have La`aloa and 17 EXHIBIT G