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the CDP as the expansion area, is not enough, and that we should have an area of roughly – how <br />many acres will this be, just on the Mauna Kea side, in ballpark 800 acres, 900 acres? <br />LIM: That will be fairly consistent with the -, probably about 800 acres, I think, <br />the 660 acres that was urban plus 200 acres or so in the Industrial Park. <br />YUEN: Yeah, so my question is why this is -, given the pace of what we’ve <br />actually seen, why is this a point of conflict? <br />LIM: I think a part of the reason for the Shipman’s concern over the Puna CDP <br />is that it doesn’t even recognize that growth; I mean, it’s the existing growth on the 5-8 map. <br />Part of the reason for the Keaau town conceptual master plan effort within the last 2 years was to <br />develop through the community’s input what they wanted to see out in Keaau, and the plan as <br />they developed it through the Shipman effort, I think, has been totally or at least partly ignored in <br />the Puna CDP. I agree with you that this plan should show a 20-year build-out; and if all the <br />population projections are correct, the Puna District in say 10 or 12 or 15 years is going to be <br />greater in population than North and South Hilo. Then I think we will need all the facilities and <br />services that are present there today, that we are planning there in the Shipman master plan. I <br />mean, the whole idea of Shipman’s plan is that they will provide these regional commercial <br />services and light-industrial services, so that people didn’t have to go all the way in to Hilo, as <br />they do today. <br />YUEN: Yeah, I agree with that. And I think Bill Walter had a good point on the <br />250,000 square feet on the regional center. I just question the need for the extent of the future <br />urban area, especially the commercial area, that’s shown in this Plan here. <br />LIM: I believe that you have a good point in that Shipman hasn’t done anything <br />yet. I think this is one of those things where once it goes, it’s going to go relatively quickly. I <br />expect the pace of development, once they get that first anchor tenant out there, to go relatively <br />quickly. But you know, that raises -, I think it highlights my point, which is – you and I are <br />having a very good discussion now – that decision should be made and put in the Plan; right now <br />it’s not. <br />YUEN: Okay, that’s all I have right now. <br />WATANABE: Thank you. Yes, Mr. Domingo. <br />DOMINGO: Mr. Chairman, you know, I have been of the opinion that the Community <br />Development Plan should reflect what is already in the General Plan. And what we are seeing <br />here in the CDP is a change in the LUPAG Map and some of the probably policy statements, like <br />you know, we’ve seen the urban expansion area designations in the County of Hawaii General <br />Plan LUPAG, except where they correspond to the recommended village center boundaries for <br />Keaau and Pahoa. In that sense what I’m looking at is a default rezoning, you know, a default <br />rezoning – in fact, you can say upzoning because you are taking away the privilege of the <br />landowners from developing their lands as they already were entitled to do in the case of the <br />Shipman property. And because they have not taken any initiative to develop it within this <br />timeframe up till today – and I think we accept the fact that marketing, financing and other <br />EXHIBIT C <br />13 <br /> <br />