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really need it. But the condominium statute requires a water tank or a man-made improvement <br />to qualify as a condominium. So our man-made improvement was going to be a water tank. <br />SIRACUSA:Well -. <br />ALAMEDA:Commissioner Siracusa. <br />SIRACUSA:Okay. Weve got some new agricultural tax laws coming up, right, or they <br />passed already, Ivan, about a minimum that a farmer has to make in order to qualify for the Ag <br />exemption? I believe its $2,000 a year. Im just wondering if these farmers will be able to -? <br />SAVIO:Im pretty sure they did the math. Its $2,000 a year they can earn. I <br />might add, one more thing we talked about is the cost. And when we talked about the bridges, <br />the bridges, I believe, are not on our property. Theyre actually on the Bishop Estate property, <br />buttheyaretheaccesspoint,well,oneoftheaccesspointsforourproperty.Andourpositionis <br />we are willing to pay our fair share to maintain those bridges. We are not the only ones using the <br />road. This is a 30-mile road that runs, you know, all the way to Naalehu. So everyone along that <br />roadway will be paying their fair share, everyone who uses it should be paying their fair share. I <br />think thats a very important concept because to require our 175 farmers to be responsible 100 <br />percent for the bridges, or 100 percent for the access roads, or any road outside of the project <br />would not be reasonable. Thats why we are very concerned that it be very clear that we will pay <br />our fair share for the maintenance of the roads and that, or we have the alternate of providing <br />other access to a County road, rather than using the existing easement. <br />ALAMEDA:Other questions, Commissioners? <br />MCCALL:Yeah. Mr. Savio, my question or concern is primarily about water. For <br />farmers dryland farming is, certainly is an option. But when were talking about putting 175 <br />people up there, 175 homes up there, I think thats another matter. And I have, I think that <br />theres a opportunity at this point -. You know, catchment, I, is, to me, is not a very good option <br />in a dry area like Ka€u. I think theres an opportunity at this point -. You do have, you <br />mentioned that you do have access to 25 percent share of the Moaula Tunnel, but that is, thats <br />not adequate for, you know, for what we have here. I mean, my concern is, is to have 175 <br />landowners in a situation such as Ocean View where everybody is hauling water. Thats going <br />to be a major, more than an inconvenience. Its going to be a major problem for the owners, as <br />well as Pahala, as well as the County which is going to end up footing the bill for this. <br />SAVIO:When we originally came forward to the community, they discussed at <br />length the idea of electricity, water, what standards they want. I think one of the problems we <br />have is the majority of our buyers are local buyers; and to them, price was more important than <br />anything else. They would rather own their 5-acre parcel at $20,000 to $30,000 rather than <br />$60,000 because water was required or something of that nature. Bringing in things like <br />electricity and water are very, very expensive; and its one of the reasons that farm land in a lot <br />of cases would become unaffordable for the local buyer. If I was selling this to the mainland guy <br />coming out, theyll hire somebody to take care of it, theyre going to build a house, I mean, I <br />could sell these for $100,000 all day long; but thats not the purpose of the project. Okay, so you <br />can require water, but what you will do is you will make it unaffordable for the local buyers. <br />There arent that many government programs on the acquisition that help. Part of the concept <br />14 <br /> <br />