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SIRACUSA: Because even the map, you told us, is basically conceptual; that’s <br />not the final thing. What comes at plan approval time might look considerably different. <br />GRAHAM: Commissioner Watanabe? <br />WATANABE: Yeah, I understand her concern. However, in the past it has been <br />our practice to rely on a rather broad statement such as Condition No. 3 where the construction <br />of the retreat and the operation of all of its related facilities and activities shall be conducted in a <br />manner substantially represented by the plans. So, you know, I’m not sure that we really need to <br />be that definitive. There might be no end to it. <br />GRAHAM: Just as a way trying to resolve this issue, suppose an additional <br />Order item was put in there, Commissioner Siracusa, which sort of said agricultural activities <br />will take place as -. <br />SIRACUSA: As represented. <br />GRAHAM: As represented in Finding of Fact No. 12 or whatever it was. <br />Would that be -? <br />SIRACUSA: Yes. That would be just exactly what I need to cast my vote in <br />favor. Otherwise, I would not be able to do so. <br />GRAHAM: Thank you. <br />SIRACUSA: I think it’s a wonderful program. I would have my concerns about <br />the right location for it unless I can get that kind of assurance. <br />GRAHAM: Is that okay, Mr. Nishimura, or -? Mr. Blake? <br />BLAKE: Yeah, if I may address that. Absolutely. One of the -, as the <br />testimony represented today, part of the whole value to the youth and the families that come <br />there is interaction with the earth and with gardens and agriculture, so certainly that’s part of -. <br />What we don’t want to be pinned down to is what is the appropriate location of things and <br />buildings based on findings; that’s more of a logistical reality.But the programmatic part is we <br />are in favor of having an agricultural component. Absolutely. <br />SIRACUSA: Thank you. Then you will not object to an additional condition. <br />BLAKE: Not as stated there. That would be fine. <br />SIRACUSA: Fine. <br />GRAHAM: Commissioner Watanabe? <br />WATANABE: Can I get some clarification on that? Are you going to add that to <br />Condition 15, or does it become Condition 16, etc.? <br />EXHIBIT B <br />17 <br /> <br />