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to the metes and bounds. So with respect to the direct question, at this point, I believe that a <br />condition would alleviate your concerns. <br />IWASHITA:Well -. <br />ALAMEDA:Commissioner, sure. <br />IWASHITA:My real concern is that there is a conflict now in the evidence, right? <br />Mr. Tyler says the walls were there just a few years ago and then there€s also evidence that they <br />don€t exist anymore. Okay? It is a conflict to me that is sufficiently grave in terms of my <br />proceeding further that I, whether it€s a survey or some, you know, some photographic evidence, <br />or something, I need something to definitively tell me, you know, whether these walls exist or <br />not and if they do where are they located. You know, because to the extent this trail may <br />meander and not follow the easement, a substantial portion of it could still be within the <br />boundaryline,yoursouthernboundarylinehere.Sothat€smyconcern.AndIreallyamnot <br />comfortable with any condition. As far as having the survey done and so forth because of that, <br />because there is this conflict -. And I don€t know what the actual extent of the condition and <br />existence of the trail, and the walls are right now. There€s no way for me to determine that. <br />LAU:Well, part of the testimony that we€re forgetting is that as late as 1980 <br />there was a report by Professor Hal -. <br />MOORE:Hammett. <br />LAU:Hammett that said that the walls did not exist. However, perhaps the <br />survey will tell us that there are walls; and if there are walls we€re agreeing that we will stabilize <br />those walls and we will also clear the brush. So I believe that if we came back and said yes, the <br />walls exists, and we€re not goingin that area, and we stabilize the walls, I believe that what <br /> <br />you€re asking for will be satisfied. <br />ALAMEDA:Any other questions for our applicant? Thank you. You may be seated. <br />LAU:Thank you. Commissioner Graham? <br />GRAHAM:Just coming from Mr. Tyler€s testimony and looking at where we€re <br />coming from on this, the last hearing there were three of us who were concerned, it was <br />Commissioner McCall, Commissioner Springer and myself. And Commissioner McCall is not <br />here today, Commissioner Springer is finished and I, like Mr. Tyler, wasn€t aware it was on the <br />agenda so I goofed in my own reading. And now we have Mr. Tyler who is willing to testify <br />more on the cultural statement, which I always could rely a lot on Commissioner Springer€s <br />research. So I feel on the cultural side also would really be good for us to put this off for another <br />hearing. <br />ALAMEDA:Fellow Commissioners, there€s a discussion about perhaps deferring this <br />or continuing it until there€s more evidence, more information. Is there a similar view, on the <br />left side or the right side? Commissioner Watanabe. <br />21EXHIBIT C <br /> <br />