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RECHTMAN:That was flat and paved on top. And, in that case, we put a one by <br />one meter test unit in the top of that, removing the rocks. <br />TOGASHI:I see. You also did some test excavations in San Clemen <br />RECHTMAN:Yes. <br />TOGASHI:According to your credentials that you listed. Was that <br />confined to just a single one by one meter test excavation? <br />RECHTMAN:No, in that case, the sites were extremely different an <br />TOGASHI:So you're saying that the topography of the land, soil conditions, <br />dictate the amount of testing that you do. <br />RECHTMAN:Yes. <br />TOGASHI:There has been some testimony offered, I've forgotten by <br />but, as to the possibility of conducting excavations and should this, let's say, should this <br />project be approved. And what the developer wants to do is he would want to excavate <br />part of the property; and to do that, he would have to get a hoe ram or a D-8. In your <br />opinion, do you foresee any destruction to the residence enclosure in the, on the <br />Keakealaniwahine complex from the vibrations that the hoe ram or D-8 could do? <br />RECHTMAN:I don't have enough experience or knowledge to answer that. I <br />know that I just used a hoe ram in my yard, and all the dry stack walls that I made didn't <br />fall apart. But I, but beyond that, a big giant machine like that, I don't know. <br />TOGASHI:You have to argue as to what effect that would have on the nearby <br />archaeological site what it would be. I'll yield the floor for now. I do have some other <br />questions listed here, but for the life of me, I can't remember what I was trying to ask. <br />GIFFIN:I don't know if this would help clarify it for you, Mr. Togashi, but I <br />think the discussion that you were just referring to was with the testimony of Ms. Yent. <br />TOGASHI:I'm not sure the, on the subject matter of the hoe ram as to which <br />testimony it occurred in, but I do remember -. <br />GIFFIN:Yeah. <br />TOGASHI:Many questions regarding the use of that equipment. <br />GIFFIN:Yeah. Right. And I think it was brought up as a question from one <br />of the Intervenors, but I'm not sure. <br />25 <br /> <br />