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M. ROY:Mr. Tyler, if youÓre not familiar, Dr. Rechtman is the, Bob Rechtman is
<br />the archaeologist that has produced a, the study that is being reviewed at present. He has given
<br />testimony, almost a dayÓs worth. Are you familiar with the findings of the State Historic
<br />Preservation Dr. Hendrick, Dr. Pat McCoy regarding that assessment that Dr. Rechtman did for
<br />this property?
<br />TYLER:I am. I have seen both his assessment and also the response of the, of the
<br />division.
<br />M. ROY:While youÓre not an archaeologist by profession, can you
<br />opinion of the findings of Dr. Rechtman, if you can recall, in general?
<br />TYLER:Well, I think my first reaction was where is the graveyard. I looked in
<br />there, and I couldnÓt find the graveyard. And so I called up Mr. Mooers who is the consultant for
<br />Mr. Blasman, and I said, ÐYou know Greg, I read this report, thanks for sending it over. There
<br />seems to be something missing here. WhereÓs the graveyard?Ñ He said, Ðwhat graveyard?Ñ And
<br />I said, ÐWell, I think itÓs right in this area. There used to be steps leading up there. There were
<br />loulu there and, you know, a little pavilion. And I actually went to one burial there. And he
<br />said, ÐI donÓt know.Ñ I said, ÐWell, you better call upÑ Bob or ÐDr. Rechtman and, you know,
<br />find out.Ñ So he did. And Dr. Rechtman called and said that those, that there had been a
<br />graveyard there on adjacent property to the south. I think itÓs Ms. CookÓs property now. And
<br />that it was, these iwi were disinterred and re-interred someplace else by family members.
<br />That parcel that Ms. Cook owns is a very small parcel, and I recall that graveyard being much
<br />larger. So I said, ÐWell it must have extended north.Ñ And he said, ÐWell, we donÓt believe so.Ñ
<br />But my understanding after talking to Dr. Rechtman is that, and my insistence actually, is that he
<br />went back there. He said that he had gone, gone over that whole area. And itÓs covered with
<br />night-blooming cereus; and what I remember about the night-blooming cereus it covered the
<br />walls around the graveyard. And so it appeared to me, in my laymanÓs commonsense thought, is
<br />that the wall that, that the night-blooming cereus came down and went into this area which is
<br />directly adjacent to and mauka of Alii Drive. And thereÓs a wall partially around this area.
<br />So I actually went down there to see if we could even find those graves. And we couldnÓt even
<br />pass, pass through the night-blooming cereus. So I spoke to Mr. Mooers, and I said, I really
<br />think you ought, you ought to have Mr. Rechtman, Dr. Rechtman go
<br />reported back to me that they went down there, took a crew and they found nothing. And I have
<br />not been back there, so I donÓt know whether they cut through the night-blooming cereus or not.
<br />I donÓt know.
<br />M. ROY:Curtis, do you, there has been testimony in the early part of this hearing
<br />system that there, in the plans for the development of this, of this building system, they plan to
<br />excavate and go down into this area. Dr. Rechtman reports that he feels there are no subsurface
<br />features on this land. You as a resident kamaaina, can you speak just of your general knowledge
<br />or your beliefs of this land as you know it?
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