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forest weve got to cut the koa so that we can weed out all the waiwi trees. That doesnt make sense that youre going to put up a building that should be placed in Conservation or a property that should be conserved and put it into Conservation to be enjoyed by all of the community. WATANABE:You want to follow-up? WOODWARD: Just a brief follow-up. This placehas basically lied fallow for 47 years. The kanaka has not done anything to improve the situation. The County, the government cant do everything. And if no development occurs its going to lie fallow for another 47 years. GUMAPAC:Well, then the fault shouldfall upon the private owner. Let the private owner clean up the mess. If theyre going to buy the property, same thing as if you had an owner that bought a contaminated property, okay, and there was contamination, thatowner would be responsible to do all of the soil remediation on that property. So why arent you making the privateownersresponsibletodothatandnotputuponebuilding. WATANABE:Mr.Kale,Igetyourdrift,butIthinkwehavereachedanimpasses because really what youre speaking of youre coming from the old Hawaiian ways where nobody had property ownership -. GUMAPAC:No, this isnt the old Hawaiian way. This is the new Hawaiian way and the Hawaiians are finally stepping up and saying so. WATANABE:Yeah, okay. Thank you for your comments. VINCEINT:Mr. Chairman, just one more. And I think the perspective is very different, even for me as an educator. And a person who has been in the education system for 20 years I think for us its always making sure that, you know, we do have the access and we do have the ability to take a look at what currently is there. And we want our children to be able to gain that knowledge and have that knowledge for future generations. And by putting up buildings there is sometimes that block -. WATANABE:That barrier, yes. VINCEINT:That barrier; and thats my -. WATANABE:Potentially, potentially though you may have that access yet. VINCEINT:Right. Yeah, potentially; but we still need to see that. Mahalo nui. WATANABE:Yeah, okay, thank you. Commissioner Siracusa? SIRACUSA:Yes. I just wanted to say that in terms of the County purchasing, the idea that was brought forward about the County could purchase the land to preserve it, and thats the natural resources and open space committee or commission that is now taking nominations of parcels. And so the proper venue is not the Planning Commission for that sort of thing. It would 24EXHIBIT A