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my question to you as a Planning Commission did you guys go do your homework? You guys better go check on this moratorium because this development might be illegal. The moratorium came back in the early 70s right after that last condominium project was built. SIRACUSA:Okay. We did not have anything in our packet about such a moratorium. And I would like to ask the Director, the Planning Director, if in his research on the background report he came up with anything where the County Council has passed this permanent development moratorium? GUMAPAC:This is how Richardsons Ocean Park was acquired as a result of this moratorium, because the developers at that time were going to develop Richardsons Ocean Park and the property across of that. And when the County put the moratorium on it, the developers forced the purchase of that property by the County; and thats how the County acquired that property as a County Park. SIRACUSA:Mr. Yuen? YUEN:There was a, well, in the early 1970s a lot of Keaukaha was zoned Resort, includingtheareasaround4-MilesandRichardson.Therewasacommunityoppositiontothat and as a result of that the County appropriated, the County bought Richardsons Ocean Park and they expanded the James Kealoha Park at 4-Miles to include the pond area which was called Carlsmiths back then. And so the County purchased that area, same time the County downzoned some of the Resort zoned areas in Keaukaha. The moratorium ended at the time of the downzone. Now, however, this area around here which youre seeing the purple color on the map there was not affected by that rezoning and is still zoned Resort. WATANABE:Okay, Mr. Woodward. WOODWARD:Yeah, I have a question for either of you gentlemen. Actually, it seems to me that theyre asking for a Special Management Area Permit which just basically means were supposed to review and make sure this isnt going to have an adverse effect on the environment. Theyve already been zoned for what they are asking to do. In fact, they have the ability from their zoning to put 60 units there. And it seems to me that theyve actually come up and been fairly good neighbors to say, well, were only going to build 12 units and were going to clean up the pond. It seems to me, too, from what Ive learned that this pond, despite what you say about destruction and degradation, has been in the state of destruction and degradation since 1960 and nobody has really done anything about it. Its just been overgrown. In fact, when the man went in to clear it he didnt know there was a pond there cause you couldnt see it. He had to get in there with a machete. So it would seem to me that these people have actually planned a development that is going to improve the situation in your neighborhood rather than degrade it; and they have opted to go with a much smaller number of units than they could legally. GUMAPAC:That rationale is kind of different for me, cause, you know, to tell a kanaka that lets go build this development in order to save the land no make sense, because what you should be doing is saving the land period. You dont need to put up a building to save the land. The responsibility falls upon the County. This doesnt fall upon the people thats over there. And so its just like telling us, well, were going to save the koa forest but before we save the koa 23EXHIBIT A