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TYLER:You may. <br />WATANABE:With regard to the survey and also the 10-foot additional buffer <br />that Mr. Lau has agreed to provide, do you have any objections, or are you contesting the <br />actual location of the Judd Trail, or is it more an issue of the historical content, or, that’s <br />within this cultural assessment? <br />TYLER:Thank you for that question, Mr. Chairman. I’m not contesting the <br />location. It appears to me that Wes Thomas went out there, and what they did was they <br />located what wall they found on Mr. Lau’s property. I believe that there’s more of the <br />trail on Mr. Lau’s property or it may have been, the walls may have been destroyed, in <br />other words, its physical delineation may have been destroyed, which is not shown there. <br />And the Hawaiians didn’t have a, you know, didn’t have GIS equipment, so things <br />weren’t always straight. So I think it has to, it has to be looked at in light of the big <br />picture which is, okay, so this individual owns this property and this individual might be <br />the same individual who owns this property and there’s a metes and bounds description <br />but there’s this trail that runs along, or through, or meanders through this particular <br />straight line; and all too often it’s overlooked because of the modern metes and bounds <br />description. But this, as Mr. Iwashita has point out, is a government road subject to the <br />Highways Act of 1892. So I’m not contesting it, but I’m just pointing out to the Planning <br />Commission, ‘cause this is going to happen again, maybe even today, that these kinds of <br />things have to be taken into consideration. It is always not just the straight line. Thank <br />you. <br />WATANABE:Thank you. But, you know, with Mr. Lau being willing to deed <br />over this to whatever entity, the State I guess it would be, and the fact that the Judd Trail <br />is on the southern border and not within any building area because the setbacks would <br />definitely exclude the Judd Trail, I tend to feel that we should be able to proceed without <br />that much concern about the actual preservation of the trail. And they also have <br />conceded that they will stabilize to the best of their ability what exists, yeah? <br />TYLER:Absolutely; and I don’t, you know, that’s your prerogative. I’m <br />merely expressing to you my opinion of the way things are. It has been accepted, it’ll be <br />your decision. My concern, as I told Mr. Lau, is that the trail is protected and that if it <br />has been destroyed that it, you know, be put back. There are large preserved areas here. <br />Mr. Kennedy has pointed out these are unusually large. I’m grateful for that, I’m very <br />grateful for it. I said I do not oppose this project. I just want to be sure that there are <br />conditions in place and there are covenants recorded so that we don’t have the kinds of <br />repetitive situations that occurred with so many important cultural resources. <br />WATANABE:Okay, thank you. <br />TYLER:You’re welcome. <br />WATANABE:Are there any other questions? Mr. Iwashita? <br />EXHIBIT A <br />18 <br /> <br />