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LAU:Yes. On the tax map it’s designated as Parcel 74. So what we <br />would do is we would map the Judd Trail where Lot 74 ends to Ali`i Drive. <br />IWASHITA:Can you say that again, please? <br />LAU:Yes. We would prepare a metes and bounds description of the <br />Judd Trail from the makai terminus of Lot 74 down to Ali`i Drive. If you look at the tax <br />map, it’s shown as a dashed area, and it’s also noted as Judd Trail. <br />IWASHITA:As referenced, my understanding of the issue of the Judd Trail is, <br />you know, established as a government road from its inception in 1859. And, so, as far <br />as once the metes and bounds description is prepared, is it, or can you give me your <br />understanding as to then what’s going to be done with the title to that area, or what is the <br />Applicant’s position as to title to the Judd Trail? <br />LAU:Well, with respect to the property, the portion of the Judd Trail that <br />is not on our property, I believe that it would be an easement, but I’m not the property <br />owner. With respect to the portion of the trail that is shown on the map as having the <br />walls, upon request of the proper agency, we would deed that portion to them. <br />IWASHITA:Okay. Another, I don’t know if we can address it here today. But <br />as far as the, what’s depicted on the map prepared by Wes Thomas Associates, I guess <br />what appears to be the wall down at the makai boundary extending mauka, those are, I <br />guess, Wes Thomas’s representation as to the, what exists today as far as the walls, stone <br />walls? <br />LAU:That is correct. And I believe that Mr. Chang from Na Ala Hele <br />can confirm that. <br />IWASHITA:Okay. He’ll be testifying later? <br />LAU:If you want, we can bring him up now. <br />WATANABE:I think that would be -. Mr. Chang, may I swear you in? Do you <br />swear or affirm to tell the truth now before the Hawai`i County Planning Commission? <br />CHANG:I do. <br />WATANABE:Would you state your name and address for the record, please? <br />CHANG:My name is Clement Chang, care of 64 Lehala Drive. I’m with the <br />Division of Forestry, Wild Life and Na Ala Hele Program. <br />WATANABE:Thank you. <br />IWASHITA:Good morning, Clement. <br />EXHIBIT A <br />4 <br /> <br />