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CHANG:Good morning. <br />IWASHITA:How are you? <br />CHANG:I’m all right. <br />IWASHITA:So can you clarify for me what is the capacity in which you’re <br />testifying today? <br />CHANG:Actually, I’m representing both the Na Ala Hele and the Land <br />Division ‘cause at this time this property is actually under the jurisdiction of Land <br />Division until it is -. <br />IWASHITA:State of Hawai`i? <br />CHANG:Yes. Until it would be turned over onto us and put under our <br />program; but until it’s done that is actually under Land Division -. <br />IWASHITA:What’s the correct word you said the name of the organization, <br />again? <br />CHANG:The Na Ala Hele Program. <br />IWASHITA:Na Ala Hele? <br />CHANG:Na Ala Hele. <br />IWASHITA:Na Ala Hele. Thank you. Na Ala Hele. So as far as your personal <br />knowledge, does the Wes Thomas map that we’re looking at today accurately reflect the <br />remnants of the stonewall that is attributed to be part of the Judd Trail? <br />CHANG:That is correct. <br />IWASHITA:Okay. And, then, have you walked this entire boundary, up to the <br />mauka extent of this boundary to see if there are any other stonewall remnants of the Judd <br />Trail? <br />CHANG:I have not walked above. But as from hearing testimony, I do <br />know that the walls do not exist. It only exists within this property. <br />IWASHITA:Okay. So your personal knowledge is limited just to what’s shown <br />on the map? <br />CHANG:Yes. <br />EXHIBIT A <br />5 <br /> <br />