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M. ROY:Staff location map with the red mark. As you look at tha presentation and in your knowledge of that general area, can you speak about how that would be, in your mind, a help or hindrance to this area? KANAHELE:IÓve never seen the map before so I have no idea what that map is all about. And it was a necessary part of our conversation for her to point the map out and tell me what that was about and the fact that it was there. And she pointed this out to me that it was over there; and I know where KeakealaniÓs house is in relationship to the map itself and not in relationship to Mr. BlasmanÓs project. As I said before that the whole land of Hlualoa was used for a particular purpose and that the -. And it was not so much that this is her house and this is this, and this was the heiau, this was the burial site, and this was Keolonhihi but that whole area was used as or the whole land section was used for that particular purpose, whether they built their house there or they did not build their house there and the idea that Kaumalumalu was used as a buffer, the idea of the buffer for the whole land and not necessarily for spots on that land. So, you know, and IÓm not sure how Mr. Blasman is going to develop it. But in looking at the expanse of his development, IÓm sure that heÓs going to have to use some kind of jackhammers and something to remove rocks or where to dig holes or whatever to get the foundation done. And all of that, the moving of land will cause some movement on the KeakealaniwahineÓs hale. One of the walls thatÓs still intact is the wall that is facing north; and thatÓs facing toward that, this particular property. ThatÓs the wall thatÓs still intact. ThatÓs the highest wall they have. And to go in there and displace rocks to take them up or to remove them and to build something will indeed imp itself, without talking about impacting upon the land itself and the meaning of the land to all of these little sites around it. M. ROY:What is the relationship, in your mind, of this land area to the land across the street and Kiha pakiha behind? KANAHELE:ItÓs a continuation of that. There was, the section of the land that was left, KeakealaniÓs hale was perhaps the one with the highest wall and that was to maintain her mana. And the land on the side, the rest of the structures were all lower, and all lower, that went eventually went into the, overlooked the bay. And if you go back of KeakealaniÓs house, hale, and thereÓs people surfing, you could hear them very clearly and, but you have to experience that. And thatÓs one of the things that was necessary to maintain that kind of practice. M. ROY:So are you saying that height does have a relevance to sacredness in terms of -? KANAHELE:Well, height does have a relevance to sacredness and, as far as that place is concerned to her sacredness, and it also has -. Her sacredness and the place behind it also was in plain view or in tune with the lower area, Keolonhihi. The idea of the surfing, the idea of the grandstand, that could all be seen. And so that was part and parcel of what that whole place was all about. 16