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was, a male-type purpose was to acquire more lands. And so the purposes were different but, nevertheless, still very fundamental in the existence of us, in our existence. And so they had to have a place like that, they have to have a place like this, but itÓs the land that has certain kinds of mana within it. M. ROY:ThatÓs stating very much and in line with what testimonie been given by other elders. You speak about this area thatÓs vitally important, itÓs called a spiritual connection and the reasons why such places were what they are, and I say Ðare,Ñ Òcause itÓs in the present. KANAHELE:Well, it still kind of exists today. If we look at the land and, you know, we didnÓt have a real good picture of the land today because, you know, other things have had been replaced what was on the land. So we donÓt have a clear picture. What we know about the land and its association with its practice is that it had a lae or, what is lae in English? M. ROY:A point? KANAHELE:A point, thank you. It has a point that goes up but the point envelopes the bay, okay, and the bay is where the surf is. Surf is a sport that attracts aliis of very high rank and the attracting aliis of very high rank is what you need to maintain the bloodline, both females aliis and male aliis. So that was o recreation, or the practice that was needed to attract them there. But it went all the way, Hlualoa was a great feeder for the whole area. And if you go to the mauka Hlualoa, you know thatÓs where they did a lot of big planting for the whole area. And, so, you know, it has to do with the land and what it has to offer. M. ROY:Would you say in cadence with nature? KANAHELE:Oh, yeah, yeah. I mean, you donÓt make the land, we do the land; and thatÓs one thing we realized, the land was not, you know, ours to make. The land was the God and the God meant only that the land is why we live, the land is why we survive. It fed us, it gave us sustenance, it gave us things to live on; and one of those things that it gave us was a place like this where we could maintain the bloodline. M. ROY:In present history books, are we given opportunities adequately to see the connection of such a place with gardens like you were talking about our eco- system? KANEHELE:A lot of the history books were not written by us today. And, because they have to have a lot of, well, you know, when youÓre in an academic field and you do a dissertation, one of the most impressive thing about a dissertation is that you have pages and pages of bibliography, you know. You donÓt have pages and pages of bibliography when youÓre talking about a place like this. YouÓre talking about a practice that people actually did and not necessarily putting it down on paper. It wasnÓt a writing society. And if you have pages and pages of bibliography, your paper is very impressive 8