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VITOUSEK:And that was based on your testimony that to some exten <br />cultural sites is a recreational activity, isnÓt that correct? <br />YUEN:Yes. <br />VITOUSEK:So it really goes back to the cultural components, isnÓt that correct? <br />YUEN:Yeah, it relates. <br />VITOUSEK:Okay. And IÓm trying to get clear on what cultural resource of value is <br />being protected by your recommendation and by the proposed mitig <br />proposed condition. <br />YUEN:The integrity of an important historic site and the enjoyment or the <br />experience that a person has in going and viewing that site. <br />VITOUSEK:And so letÓs focus on the component of the experience that the person has <br />when they go and visit the site, okay? And, specifically, is this a, is this a concern that is <br />directed towards preserving the experience of a native practitio <br />YUEN:Among others. <br />VITOUSEK:And who would the others be? <br />YUEN:The general public. <br />VITOUSEK:Okay. Is there any evidence that the general public is or, is now or will <br />ever be invited into this site by the State of HawaiÒi who owns the property? <br />YUEN:I donÓt know that the State has determined any kind of management plan. <br />Typically there is some opportunity for public viewing of historic sites on State property. <br />VITOUSEK:And isnÓt it, I mean, I guess what IÓm trying to reconcile is, is from the <br />testimony that weÓve heard, there may be a conflict between public access to historic sites <br />and the practice of native Hawaiian cultural traditions in those sites, isnÓt that correct? <br />YUEN:IÓm not sure how public use will eventually be handled at <br />Keakealaniwahine. There isnÓt a management plan. I donÓt think the decision has been <br />made. I think, what IÓve heard, and certainly there may be conflicts over time of use and <br />there may be ceremonies that are closed to the public. As to whether the site as a whole <br />should be permanently closed to the public, I havenÓt heard that. <br />VITOUSEK:Well, if the State of HawaiÒi is designing a public access plan, it could <br />design, it could design and channel public access in a way that would not necessarily <br />have the public in all areas of the complex, isnÓt that correct? <br />16 <br /> <br />