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YUEN:Yeah, in places, yes; and among the other things that I mentioned. I mean, <br />I donÓt want to go through it all, but I think the walls themselves in, certainly in places <br />are quite impressive. <br />VITOUSEK:And, so, I guess, what I was wondering is, you know, yo <br />common sense yesterday. But it seemed that common sense would suggest that there <br />would be an expectation of privacy and of limitation on visual intrusion from inside an <br />enclosure, isnÓt that correct? I mean, isnÓt that at least possibly one of the reasons that <br />something is enclosed, so that it is not Î? <br />YUEN:Yeah, yeah. As far as say old Hawaiian days, yeah, this wasnÓt, say, a <br />wall of a house. This is a, there was an enclosure and then there was a house platform <br />within there probably. <br />But the reason I focused on somebody standing outside the wall i <br />that, you take care of the views from somebody standing inside the wall, too. The outside <br />the wall is the worst case scenario as far as being on the Keakealaniwahine parcel. <br />VITOUSEK:Fair enough. And so being a worst case scenario that would also mean <br />that the limitation placed on the Blasman property is greater if you use a vantage point <br />outside the wall rather than inside the wall, isnÓt that correct? <br />YUEN:ItÓs easier, itÓs easier to screen Blasman if you take a viewpoint from <br />inside the wall, yes. ItÓs, and as I said, if youÓre screening it from somebody standing <br />outside the wall, it will effectively screen it from somebody standing inside the wall. <br />VITOUSEK:I guess what IÓm, by selecting a vantage point outside the wall, did you, do <br />you have any basis on which to conclude that it is, a cultural practitioner would be <br />exercising a cultural practice outside the wall as opposed to inside the wall, and that they <br />would have a reasonable expectation of some visual, a particular visual scape in <br />exercising their cultural practice outside the wall? <br />YUEN:If thatÓs your point, I accept it. The, I donÓt where a cultural practitioner <br />would choose to have a ceremony on the site. I donÓt have any particular reason for <br />thinking that it would be makai of the south wall. <br />VITOUSEK:Okay. But by selecting a point makai of the south wall that enables you <br />to, to require or recommend a significantly greater limitation on Mr. BlasmanÓs use of his <br />own property. In other words, if you require him to be invisible from a site outside the <br />wall, that will place greater limitations on his ability to use his own property, isnÓt that <br />correct? <br />YUEN:Well, itÓs harder to do a landscaping shield from, using the vantage point <br />of a person outside the wall than from a vantage point inside the wall, yes. <br />31 <br /> <br />