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MCCALL:Yeah. I do in some ways I agree with you, but I do also feel that the <br />public should be involved in this. Because, otherwise, to me it is a taking, you know, of people’s <br />property rights. And I, I don’t know, I just feel that the public, I just, in my opinion, the public <br />should be involved; and, to me, that’s one way to force these facilities to do a better job, that they <br />are not a detriment to the community but an asset. ‘Cause I think that can be done. <br />ALAMEDA:Mr. Torigoe, before I entertain further comments on this issue, it kind of <br />sounds like with Commissioner McCall’s end statement that we might be moving into discussion <br />which may not be part of our protocol. How much more of a discussion should we entertain at <br />this point, given that they will be mentioned again in Hilo? ‘Cause we could start debating now <br />and, you know, take us to the end of the wee hours, but -. <br />TORIGOE:I don’t think you want to do that but -. <br />WATANABE:You might be still here at the Hilo meeting. <br />TORIGOE:No, I mean, you’re taking testimony; and you should be discussing the <br />merits on it if it’s pertinent to the testimony. You know, you can discuss it as you go. <br />ALAMEDA:Okay. So if it’s pertinent to the testimony, then we’re in compliance with <br />our own procedures. And just to let the testifiers know again, once we allow even a remark from <br />one testifier, then we’re going to have to open it up and allow everybody else that same time. So <br />just so you guys know I don’t want to be mean, but that’s the stuff, the protocol, so -. <br />Commissioner Siracusa? <br />SIRACUSA:I just want to say in relation to Commissioner McCall’s comments about <br />involving community is that if you’re trying to bring these people back into the mainstream of <br />society, bringing them back into community and that’s the reason why you choose this kind of <br />homes in residential areas, then you can’t expect the community to accept them if you don’t do <br />the initial outreach to the community and try to make that happen. It appears that Marimed has <br />not done this. We had a situation with, is it Waters of Life Charter Schools? So it is coming in <br />and not outreaching to the community first, just jumping in. And we’ve seen this before, and it <br />seems that these people are going about it backwards where they should really be going and <br />learning a community maybe calling some town meetings, or, you know, putting out what they <br />want to do and put out some feelers and let people know, let the community know what they <br />want to do and why, how important it is and what the advantages are to the community, what the <br />drawbacks might be, you know, have an open process. And whenever you don’t have that, no <br />matter how good the program is going to be, you’re going to have people who are suspicious <br />simply because they feel that they’ve been left out of the process; and that’s no way to generate <br />trust and community cohesion and bring people back into community. It’s a way to push the <br />community away from these people; and I think that’s counter-productive. <br />ALAMEDA:Commissioner Graham? <br />EXHIBIT D <br />25 <br /> <br />