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GRAHAM:Thank you. So perhaps the triggering mechanism is the existence on a <br />map at that time. And the trail did not exist on the map at that time, hence, it does not fall under <br />that Act? <br />HAHN:That’s my understanding. <br />GRAHAM:Thank you. <br />ALAMEDA:Thank you. Commissioner Siracusa? <br />SIRACUSA:Yes, I was holding a question; and now appears to be the appropriate time <br />to lay it on you. And that is a question as to whether you did any outreach to discover if there <br />were any families who had traditionally used that property for gathering, or to visit the burials, or <br />to maintain the land around the burials at present. I noticed that there is ko`oko`olau growing on <br />the property, and that is used medicinally. So I’m wondering if possibly anybody had been <br />doing gathering of that. <br />HAHN:Not in the way of, the outreach that we are currently involved in involves <br />consultation regarding the Preservation Plan as well as Burial Treatment Plan which specifically <br />address burial and ritual sites, as well as the trail. That process is ongoing and will continue as <br />the Burial Treatment Plan is presented to the Hawai`i Island Burial Council in September. We <br />anticipate being on the September agenda, at which normally there are additional individuals <br />who may have an interest in this area are identified. But the extent of our outreach for this is <br />being focused on these archaeological sites. I mean we have not, sometimes through that <br />interaction other kinds of activities may come to light, none have. And with regard to any <br />ongoing maintenance or use of the burial sites, visitation of the burial sites, during the survey <br />work these sites appear to be completely undeveloped densely forested area and that we found no <br />evidence of anyone maintaining them or visiting them within the past 100 years or so. <br />ALAMEDA:Ms. Siracusa, follow-up? <br />SIRACUSA:Thank you. Would you explain to me how you would go about doing <br />outreach to find native Hawaiians who might use that property, who might have used that <br />property for gathering or for visiting burials? How would you, would you put ads in the paper, <br />or how do you do this? <br />HAHN:First thing we do is contact the Department of, State Division of Land and <br />Natural Resources, Historic Preservation Division, Burial Program staff; and we have done that, <br />contacting them to determine whether or not any individuals have claim descent in this particular <br />ahupua`a. And, in fact, they identified at least three individuals that we have subsequently sent <br />copies of this plan to for comment. As part of the Burial Treatment Plan process, there’s <br />additional efforts to notify potential descendants in the form of advertisements, legal ads, notices <br />posted in West Hawai`i Today, the statewide circulation newspaper, in this case the Honolulu <br />Advertiser, as well as the Office of Hawaiian Affairs, a monthly newsletter. Notices were posted <br />in each one of those monthly newsletter for the OHA, as well as Sunday, Wednesday and Friday <br />publication of the Legal Notice. And before the plan can be submitted for review by the Island <br />Burial Council, you have a waiting period of 30 days. We’re reaching that 30-day period. <br />EXHIBIT B <br />11 <br /> <br />