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MASUDA:I would say so, yeah. I think you could safely go and youÓd safely distinguish Hokulia from this case. GRAHAM:Thank you. SPRINGER:Mr. Chair? FUJIKAWA:Go ahead, Commissioner Springer? SPRINGER:With regard -. MASUDA:Wait, they also bring up another point, too. Should they come to pass that Hokulia does get interpreted the other way, of course, at Council level that could also be rectified. FUJIKAWA:You have a question, too? SPRINGER:I was just going to comment on Commissioner GrahamÓs concern. Page 1, No. 1, thereÓs a discussion on how the laws should be geared to those who are interested in doing some family-oriented or backyard agricultural pursuits, including ornamental plants and fruit trees. So, I had a similar concern when I was reading through the background material, but did feel that some of those concern the discussion by staff. TYLER:Mr. Chairman, may I comment on my personal experience with this issue? FUJIKAWA:Go ahead, Mr. Tyler. TYLER:And I have read the Findings of Fact, Conclusions of Law and Decision of Order last evening. I might add, on the record, no surprise to me because I didnÓt, I felt this was illegal to begin with, thatÓs an aside. But to his credit, the Director has shared his concern in the recommendation beginning at the bottom of page 4 and continuing about half way down to page 5; and I think he makes a very good point. But let me give you my personal experience, now being the landowner of one acre agriculturally-classified land in Kona Acres; and the Director and I have spoken about this. The Planning Department, upon submittal of my request for faxed me over a form, a farm dwelling notice, which they asked me to sign, my wife and myself as owners to sign. And in there they made it clear, to me, that the State law does not allow for a residence to be built, just a plain old residence to be built, on agriculturally-classified land, which is envisioned here. They indicated to me that the only dwelling that I could build would be a farm dwelling and that it would have to meet the requirements of HRS 205. And one of the reasons we bought the property there was, indeed, to do exactly that, was to enter into some farming. And when the Director and I 17