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have to consider in these matters. And if your testimony is that, you know, this cultural impact assessment is deficient, it seems to me pretty clear that it is, then what I’m trying to figure out is what needs to be done in order to meet the requirements of the law. And that’s the purpose of my question. TYLER: Thank you for the question, Mr. Iwashita. The, what I’m about to tell you is my opinion based on what I understand the Supreme Court to have said. And it doesn’t revolve completely around who was interviewed, who was not interviewed. But it revolves around the guidelines that are, the decision of the Supreme Court and the guidelines that were subsequently promulgated by the Office of Environmental Quality Control; and those are of record and it clearly states what it is that needs to be done. And in some respects I don‘t believe that the study comports with that.But I’m not an officer of the court, nor do I presume to be. I believe you are and I think you can, as well as others of you around the table who have far more abilities and knowledge to be able to properly interpret whether or not this is an adequate document that comports with the law. I’m not in that position. I am only giving you my impression as a layman based on my understanding. But I can’t give you a legal opinion about that. I’m not qualified to do so. IWASHITA: Okay, I -. Mr. Chairman? GRAHAM: Commissioner Iwashita. IWASHITA: Thank you. I didn’t mean to ask you for a legal opinion. I was just making it this way, a very respective jurist that I know once said, you know, in applying the law, right, and to me that’s what we’re supposed to do, make sure that as far as cultural impacts that we comply with the law. And I for one, you know, have a great respect for the long oral history, right, you know, of the Hawaiian civilization -. TYLER: Thank you. IWASHITA: And, but today we rely on a written record, right? So the challenge is how do we get that oral history, the cultural history, made proper in our written record. And the rules that you’ve talked about, the guidelines you’ve talked about, those are what’s being developed in order to do that. So all I was trying to get from you, Mr. Tyler, was that, you know - and I respect based on your testimony in this case and others that you have an expertise that we don’t, most of us, well, I don’t certainly, in terms of in particular for these lands involved in this application because you have been taught the history of these lands and any cultural kind of activities and so forth on those lands - that it would be important to me that someone like you and others like you who have that knowledge that it be incorporated in the cultural assessment. So that’s all I’m trying to get; and my sense is that that has not been done. TYLER: Well, I think an attempt was done. If I may respond, Mr. Chairman, I’m sorry, very briefly. I believe that an earnest effort was put forward by the applicant and the applicant’s representative here. Whether or not the end result is EXHIBIT B 16