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easement and he claims that he didn€t get this surveyor€s map and he showed me what hehad. <br />And what he had was actually one old Tax Map Key that showed the whole ahupuaa but not <br />the specific site itself. So I showed him what I had, he denies that the Conference gave it to <br />him. So I turned the deed from the Hawaiian Conference to Mr. Ibbetson and I said is this <br />your signature. He said yes. I said well you signed this deed and attached to this deed was <br />this map you know. So I said you can€t say you didn€t get it. The problem I guess is prior <br />actually it goes back to me to the sale of this property and whether that sale was legal since it <br />was restricted in my great grandmother€s deed to be used as a cemetery. <br />SPRINGER:Mr. Kaiawe I€m going to interrupt your testimony at this. <br />KAIAWE:Sure. <br />SPRINGER:Right now we€re focusing on the matter of your request for standing in <br />thiscaseanddoyouhaveanythingmoretosaywithregardtohowyouaredistinctfromthe <br />general public. Because one of our criteria to determine standing is if you have an interest <br />that is clearly distinguishable from that of the general public. I believe that you€ve done so <br />through your discussion of your ancestors having been the landowners and then that provision <br />that was made with the church. Do you have anything more to say in that regard? <br />KAIAWE:I would ask the Commission at this time to postpone any decision made <br />on this bed and breakfast permit until this issue at least resolved further. I mean there was a <br />time limit that he applied until I found out about it. And I think by granting him the permit if <br />I pursue it on a civil matter its just going to make things worse. <br />SPRINGER:Mr. Kaiawe do you stand by your application for standing in this <br />contested case? <br />KAIAWE:Yes. <br />SPRINGER:You do. Commissioners do you have any questions of Mr. Kaiawe in <br />that regard? Commissioner Salavea? <br />SALAVEA:Thank you Madam Chair. Mr. Kaiawe do you have, is there to your <br />knowledge any written record as to who is buried in gravesite B. <br />KAIAWE:I€m not sure if any of the family-, I don€t have-, all I know was I was <br />told by my grandma who was buried there and she gave me the description from site A how to <br />get to site B. <br />SALAVEA:So is there record of your grandma being-, is it your grandma being? <br />KAIAWE:I€m not sure-, my great-grandma. <br />SALAVEA:Your great grandma being-? <br />EXHIBIT E <br />12 <br /> <br />