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KAIAWE:I€m not sure if the Hawaiian Evangelical Association Church would <br />have records or the Hawaii Conference. I€m not sure if it€s required by the church to be <br />surveyed who and who is buried in the cemetery, I€m not sure. <br />SALAVEA:And the reason I ask is just to clarify and ascertain whether or not your <br />link to the land and I-, there are other ways that through the documents that you provided that <br />I€m trying to establish that. And that€s in direct, or directly related to trying to define whether <br />or not you do have a clear standing more than just someone from the general public so. I€m <br />just trying to see if there are any either its written record or maybe there€s a oral record and I <br />know you just said that you were told by your great grandma that your family was buried <br />there but what type of record is there to show that relationship. Thank you. <br />KAIAWE:Thank you. <br />SPRINGER:CommissionerWatanabethenAlameda. <br />WATANABE:JustacommentandmaybeaquestionforCounsel.Inthepastwhen <br />we€re looking at granting standing to (inaudible) we€ve tended to error if anything on the <br />lenient side. And my question for Counsel would be you know since the time of these <br />transactions was so far back it€s not reasonable to assume that everything was in writing and <br />recorded etc. Would it be appropriate to grant standing and request that discovery be handled <br />there? Providing you know this claimant more time to establish the lineage. <br />SPRINGER:Mr. Torigoe? <br />TORIGOE:Thank you Madam Chairman. You know I€d like to hear the positions <br />of Mr. Ibbetson and the Planning Director also but if you find that there€s enough of what you <br />consider to be credible kamaaina testimony. You know that it seems like this is a credible <br />claim to lineage then I wouldn€t have a problem you know with your going on that and also <br />pursuing the matter further during the hearing. <br />SPRINGER:Follow up Commissioner Watanabe? <br />WATANABE:Well, I guess we€ll just wait for the comments from the others. <br />SPRINGER:Okay. Commissioner Alameda? <br />ALAMEDA:I just wanted to check with Mr. Kaiawe if he was aware of what <br />happens in a contested case situation and kind of like the next steps if we were to grant that. <br />Would you like us to share with you the protocol? How that works? <br />KAIAWE:Sure. <br />ALAMEDA:Chair? <br />SPRINGER:Thank you. Mr. Torigoe? <br />EXHIBIT E <br />13 <br /> <br />