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WATANABE:Based on the complexity of establishing lineage etc.Iwould recommend that we outsource this. SPRINGER:Thank you Commissioner Watanabe. Is there any other discussion? Commissioner Salavea? SALAVEA:And, Id like to add I agree with Commissioner Watanabe. Id also like to-, Im not sure if this is possible but Id like to make sure that theres sufficient time between the- between now and the time the hearing is held so that complete records or as best, complete records aregathered up because I have, I do have some personal experience doing this type of work and its really, its time consuming to go and dig up the records from the Department of Health. So Id just like to make sure that enough time is given to produce a clear record of whatwasdone in the past. SPRINGER:Thank you Commissioner Salavea. Commissioner Graham? GRAHAM:I just wanted to put out. Im looking at it in a more limited way and maybe the Planning Director could respond to what Im saying. It seems to me that tracing lineage and all the connections that Mr. Kaiawe might have and the history and all is not really at the heart of what we are here to decide. We do know that there are graves in these locations on this property and it seems that what were here to decide is given that we know that is it appropriate to allow a bed and breakfast operation. So I hate to think of everybody spending a lot of time and money and effort on something thats really not central to what this permit is about. SPRINGER:Mr. Yuen do you care to respond? It seems as though by having accepted Mr. Kaiawe as, accepting his petition for intervention that further research into lineal descent is of less importance than the merits of the application as Mr. Graham is describing. YUEN:I also dont look at the genealogical information as being crucial at this point given that we have accepted the petition for standing. And that in the end the question, there will be a legal question that is really not before us the propriety of the transfer of the property, I believe that would have to be taken up in the courts another forum. The issues that we would like to see at the, that the application dealt with would be those of the impacts of the bed and breakfast on the grave area. SPRINGER:Thank you Mr. Yuen. Commissioners? Commissioner Graham? GRAHAM:Yeah with that in mind it seems like if were trying to decide whether to outsource or not and Commissioner Watanabe felt that it could be complicated issues involved and all. If in fact as you and I and perhaps Director Yuen feel its not that complicated maybe we could ask Mr. Matsukawa and Mr. Kaiawe if they foresee a brief presentation and a relatively brief hearing whether we could do it on one of our agendized days. Or whether they foresee it a more lengthy to where it might be better for us to have someone else conduct the hearing. EXHIBIT E 18