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YUEN:All right. That€s about as far as I think we can take this right now. <br />IBBETSON:Okay. <br />YUEN:Thank you. <br />SPRINGER:Commissioner Salavea? <br />SALAVEA:Thank you Madam Chair. Mr. Ibbetson can you tell us, giveus some <br />background as to how you had discovered burial site B in-? What were the circumstances and <br />what the activity? <br />IBBETSON:I was clearing the property. And I had my chainsaw out andIwas <br />cutting theChristmas berrydown and that€s when I discovered the wall. And I was you <br />know,surprise,surprise,Ifoundit.WhereIdidnotexpectittobe. <br />SALAVEA:Allright.Wasthereanygradingor-? <br />IBBETSON:No.I€msorrygoahead. <br />SALAVEA:Thattypeofactivitygoingoninthatarea? <br />IBBETSON:No. Not at that time. <br />SALAVEA:As I see it on the map and as you referenced it for us I see it€s near to <br />the pool deck. In the construction of the pool was there any grading done in that area? For <br />the pool? <br />IBBETSON:Actually, not grading but what we built the pool above ground and then <br />we pushed some soil in the back up against the back of the pool. <br />SALAVEA:Okay, all right, thank you. <br />IBBETSON:Okay. <br />SPRINGER:Other Commissioners questions for the applicant? Commissioner <br />Graham? <br />GRAHAM:This may be an inappropriate kind of question but just I€m wanting to <br />ask you how long you€ve been in Hawaii just as a background feeling for how sensitive you <br />might be to issues like graves here. <br />IBBETSON:23 years and I€m very sensitive to the issues. Like I say when Mary <br />Ann came out and said oh no these are not historical sites and I have the paperwork to support <br />that if you€d like to see it. <br />EXHIBIT E <br />8 <br /> <br />