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HOUSEL: Yeah, could you go back to the LUPAG Map? Now, that seems like to me that the <br />green is defined as Important Agricultural, is that correct? <br />DARROW: Correct. <br />HOUSEL: And that basically divides this property? <br />DARROW: The General Plan LUPAG designation is meant to be broad brush, so itÓs not site <br />specific as this map is. But for reference purposes, so that the planners can have a general idea or <br />more specific idea where these are, it has been brought onto a specific location on the map. The <br />General Plan does have a broad brush indication, so it can be moved, I mean it can be expanded as <br />far as the line. In response to the applicantÓs request as to whether or not this particular parcel is <br />Urban Expansion or Important Ag Lands, the Planning Director has determined that this property is <br />Urban Expansion Area. <br />HOUSEL: Okay. Could you go back to the County, the one with pink on it? It must be the State, <br />okay, yeah, so this currently is in Agriculture but the master plan contends this ultimately to be <br />Urban, is that correct? <br />DARROW: ThatÓs the intention that this would be, its long-range plan for this particular area is <br />that it would include the Urban Expansion Area, as well as within the Community Development <br />Plan, it shows it as within the Kona Urban Area. <br />LEITHEAD TODD: Jeff, can you go back to the map with the State Land Use? IÓd like to explain. <br />When I got asked to interpret where the line is, part of the problem is is that when we draw these <br />original maps that are fairly small and then we try to do it with an overlay on a GIS later on, and it <br />hasnÓt translated very well on parcel specific. So when I was looking at this, what I looked at is t <br />fact that you have Hienaloli Road, and that if you look at that, that seems to be where that kind of <br />boundary is in terms of other applications that -. <br />BOWMAN: Could you show the road please? <br />GIFFIN: Jeff, yeah, can you show us where that road is? <br />LEITHEAD TODD: This road up there. <br />GIFFIN: Oh okay. <br />LEITHEAD TODD: And you see that the other Urban classifications that have been done in the <br />past have basically gone up to around that line as the demarcation. So I thought that that was a <br />more consistent interpretation of what the intent was of our maps. And also because it, in terms of <br />trying to decide if a particular parcel is one or the other, we tend to want to try and fit them into one <br />classification rather than having it cut in half, and it made sense that you have that road at the t <br />that that would become the demarcation Î a clear line between Agriculture mauka and then more <br />urban uses makai. <br />PUBLIC: Can I ask a question? <br />DARROW: Not at this time, sir. <br />4 <br />EXHIBIT A <br /> <br />