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SILVA:It€s a named site known in the community, yes. <br />SPRINGER:And is it associated with, what kind of name is Waibata? Is that <br />Japanese, or Hawaiian, or -? <br />SILVA:I have no idea. <br />SPRINGER:Or Japonified Hawaiian? I don€t know. And it contains <br />petroglyphs. Are there any other known attributes regarding that cave or associated, sites <br />associated with it towards their property? <br />SILVA:To my understanding, I€ve never been there, but it is 50 to a 100 <br />feet makai of their boundary line. It is very close. As I mentioned, in my letter to the <br />committee, that it is very close to the boundary between the Honuapo and Hiona`a <br />ahupua`a,andthatpossiblyindicatesthatthat€sanimportantarchaeologicalareaforme. <br />The Applicants also referred to, that there was some trash in the mouth of the tunnel or <br />the cave; and that has been attributed to someone who€s doing some bulldozing and <br />didn€t know that it was there and pushed some material into a low spot, and it has <br />partially entered the cave. It€s not completely blocked off but it is partially in the cave; <br />and that€s, from what I€ve heard of people who have been there and visited the site. <br />SPRINGER:Thank you. <br />GALDONES:Commissioner Siracusa? <br />SIRACUSA:Is the parcel fenced at all, either the one on which this property <br />we€re talking about here or the parcel on which the Waiubata Cave is? <br />SILVA:To my knowledge, there€s no fencing on the lower part of that <br />parcel. The Applicants will be better qualified to answered that. <br />MCKINNEY:There is some fencing but it€s really not within our property lines. <br />SIRACUSA:I was wondering if the concern about young people going across <br />the boundary line and accessing the cave might be mitigated by fencing. <br />MCKINNEY:And we would be happy to do anything like that. I mean, our <br />program philosophy really is a connection and respect for the land. And, so, it€s by no <br />means our intent to disturb any kind of sites; and that€s why Ill also be happy to have <br />people come on the mauka side and look. <br />GALDONES:Seeing no further questions of Mr. Silva, Mr. Cross? <br />CROSS:C. Brewer is actively filling all of its land assets in the area; and <br />adjoining the two, the parcel, the subject parcel, we have two TMKs that are being sold to <br />others, one to a Mr. Ed Olson and another to Chris Manfredi. I just want to let you <br />21 <br /> <br />